Website Shutdown and Restoration Saturday, January 16th at 9am.

[timeconsumer]

Too much drama. Anyone want to see my mantis shrimp try to eat a Trochus snail?

 

[Shawn]

Sean if your gonna throw people out there like that let me start by saying this. When I did approach Jin last may about issues. Jin brought that up about what had happened he also said you Andrew and justin didn't think it was appropriate to take legal action. Im alittle concerned now that you are president your tring to make things right. When you didn't want to before. Jin probably did several things wrong. Ok all good but now that you are president are you lying to us arc guys to make yourself look good. Not looking good for you Shawn. This arc is not gonna last long unless you do the right thing here for the members not yourself

I apologize Chuck - I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

I can't speak for what Andrew and Justin thought when Jin was threatening to use the board of 2017. I can, however, tell you what I discussed with him. I wasn't around then. I didn't join until July of 2018 and didn't become involved until summer of 2019. Let's begin with that. Secondly, I explained to Jin how he was seeming petty, as he keeps mentioning Adam being part of the issue with the 2017 board when Adam wasn't even a member of that board but Jin can't get that through that warped skull of his. Third, his obsession with "getting back" at Adam for whatever grievance they have (again, I wasn't around then) is the ONLY motivation Jin has for pursuing legal action.

I've not lied about anything. I've supported everything I've said defending myself with evidence.

Chuck, you looked me in the eye and told me that you thought I was the best thing to happen to ARC at our Frag Swap and Officer Elections this last November. What changed?

 

[hiimsean]

Can we just start a call out thread instead of continuing in this one?

so seriously what are the reservations about this roll back? We loose months of data of posts and pictures? You said you’ve been keeping track of members who have joined which might be a headache to put back in the system but at the end of the day, can be added back? To regain controls of this forum I think this is 100% worth the reset.

 

[jmcdona6]

Like the US Army has never misused money like I said because it’s been allowed at fortune 100 companies doesn’t make it right. A lot of current fortune 100 companies would not allow this today. And just because it was allowed doesn’t mean it should. It used to be legal to murder for the appropriate disagreement but that shit wouldn’t fly today....

I was either an investigating officer or presiding officer on at least five occasions involving misuse of government funds that I can recall. (1) Was it obviously a malicious act? (2) Was it reasonable or a case of extreme incompetence? (3) What was the impact to the organization and what will my rulings impact have on the organization going forward? Only one person got slammed - they maxed out their government travel card then tried to move back to Mexico illegally with their spouse. If your company is willing to fire you for reasonable mistakes that had no or very little negative impact to the company...you should find a new company.

Misuse of funds is treated very seriously in the military. We sent that one guy to jail for less than $5K, a lot of which was recovered. The others were basically Shawn, we reprimanded them for their stupidity then moved on. Don't confuse the average person in government or any organization with the crooks in D.C. that use your tax dollars for personal gain daily yet continue to be affirmed by the constituents every election.

 

[hiimsean]

Also @Shawn i know you’re busy and this doesn’t make the top of your list of things to do but can I get my supporting member tag/privileges back

 

[popsbjd]

so seriously what are the reservations about this roll back? We loose months of data of posts and pictures? You said you’ve been keeping track of members who have joined which might be a headache to put back in the system but at the end of the day, can be added back? To regain controls of this forum I think this is 100% worth the reset.

I hate the idea of losing data and posts again. However, if that is what it takes to regain control of the site and get an affordable platform for the club, then so be it. If this is something that requires a vote, I suggest we start one of those.


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[hiimsean]

I hate the idea of losing data and posts again. However, if that is what it takes to regain control of the site and get an affordable platform for the club, then so be it. If this is something that requires a vote, I suggest we start one of those.


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I don’t see it requiring a community vote. That’s why we elect club officials to make these decision. Just like we do with government officials. Some might not like their decisions but they were elected by the masses (in our clubs case sometime not by their choice)

 

[jcook54]

I hate the idea of losing data and posts again. However, if that is what it takes to regain control of the site and get an affordable platform for the club, then so be it. If this is something that requires a vote, I suggest we start one of those.


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Per Jin's email, he will turn over credentials if that's what the Club wants so we shouldn't lose any data at all. Personally, I'm in favor of having more than one person have access to the Club's website structure but I could be crazy.

 

[Shawn]

Can we just start a call out thread instead of continuing in this one?

so seriously what are the reservations about this roll back? We loose months of data of posts and pictures? You said you’ve been keeping track of members who have joined which might be a headache to put back in the system but at the end of the day, can be added back? To regain controls of this forum I think this is 100% worth the reset.

It's actually not as difficult as I thought. I just run a report and I've got the info.

@hiimsean - upgraded you back. Do me a favor and cancel your subscription in PayPal. Next January, resubscribe so that it'll be on the newer paypal that actually syncs with the site Some of the older memberships have this issue and we're going to be cancelling those subscriptions and asking them to resubscribe thru the link at the top of the page That's one of many items on our to-do list this year.

@popsbjd The decision is already been made. We're going to revert on the 16th. I'm hesitant to do it sooner as we've already indicated it will happen on the 16th. I don't want to rush the process and screw it up.

I'll let the moderators who aren't board members decide if the thread should be closed. @civics14 @wildernets @Doberman13

That's another thing we need - more moderators

 

[brianjfinn]

This isn’t just a company card. This the sole card for a reef club. Why is it in one persons possession. It’s not like it’s an expense card for a persons travel expenses. This card can’t be used that frequently it needs to be taken with where you go somewhere. This is our sole means of payment from what I understand, why is it not with the treasurer. Again it’s not just a corporate expense card where you can “accidentally use it”. Even if it was an accident it would be a terminable offense.

It's not with the treasurer because that would be a violation of internal controls. Source: am an accountant. You don't want the person reconciling the books writing the checks. That's how theft and embezzlement happens. At the same time, this is a club, not a corporation, and the smaller the organization, the higher the cost of implementing internal controls. I was treasurer and president (separately) of a small homebrew club for many years, and I kept the club card on me first, so I knew where it was at all times, and, second, because I wanted to be sure I had it when I needed to make a purchase for the club.

And you're completely, absolutely wrong about people being fired for simply using a company card. It happens all the time. Again: am an accountant. People only get fired when it's clear they're trying to steal from the company.

 

[hiimsean]

How long with the downtime/backup be, if there is an estimated time.

@Shawn thanks fellow Sean (Shawn )

 

[Shawn]

Per Jin's email, he will turn over credentials if that's what the Club wants so we shouldn't lose any data at all. Personally, I'm in favor of having more than one person have access to the Club's website structure but I could be crazy.

Justin, we've been holding out this hope since October. His email has only made it clear that he wishes to attack us. If he surrenders the credentials by the 16th, great. But we're moving forward with the plan to turn off and reboot on the 16th. If it doesn't happen, great.

I find it humorous how he says we have the credentials and that we were too ignorant to know how to use them yet he will give us the credentials. I'll let that speak for itself as well...

 

[tbrennan]

I’ll be happy to help in any way I can as well. Y’all just let me know what I can do. I can tell you one thing tho. I don’t wanna be involved in any of this drama bs. But I’ll be happy to help.

 

[Steve Burton]

I work for apple, and I can tell you if I bought personal equipment totalling 650 dollars on accident or not on their company card I would be terminated no questions asked. I might not even have 2 days to pay it back and apoligize. This shit would not fly at a major successful corporations.

It seems highly unlikely to me that a trusted employee who makes such a mistake and discovers it himself, and comes forward immediately, would be disciplined in any way, much less terminated. This seems like an attempt to fan the flames.

 

[Steve Burton]

Justin, we've been holding out this hope since October. His email has only made it clear that he wishes to attack us. If he surrenders the credentials by the 16th, great. But we're moving forward with the plan to turn off and reboot on the 16th. If it doesn't happen, great.

I find it humorous how he says we have the credentials and that we were too ignorant to know how to use them yet he will give us the credentials. I'll let that speak for itself as well...

He was just pranking again.

 

[Shawn]

How long with the downtime/backup be, if there is an estimated time.

@Shawn thanks fellow Sean (Shawn )

Down time won't be long at all - we're already making the preparations from the backup we have.

Cleaning everything and reorganizing might take some time once it's live again, but that shouldn't really affect the membership.

To be clear to everyone, we WILL be putting the new hosting credentials, domain credentials, and bank account credentials in a company acting as a Trust for ARC. We're doing our research now on that. No way will I allow what Jin has done to happen again. It will be written into the bylaws and constitution, as well as the progressive changes this board has already made to keep mistakes from the past from happening. The Trust company will be signing a contract and will held liable if something like this happens again.

The reforms folks have mentioned and asked for in this thread have already been in the works - just watch our ARC BOD meeting videos I post. You'll see.

 

[Shawn]

I’ll be happy to help in any way I can as well. Y’all just let me know what I can do. I can tell you one thing tho. I don’t wanna be involved in any of this drama bs. But I’ll be happy to help.

Wanna be part of the oversight committee we will be forming in light of these events?

 

[tbrennan]

Wanna be part of the oversight committee we will be forming in light of these events?

Ya man just let me know!

 

[matticus1181]

I find it humorous how he says we have the credentials and that we were too ignorant to know how to use them yet he will give us the credentials.

I was going to ask about this. Do you guys have the FTP credentials? Depending on the root folder of that user, you may be able to grab the DB file? I'm happy to help if you do.

 

[Dmitri]

Hello everyone. There’s an issue that’s come up that we need to address. This post could be long, and I apologize for that, but it affects every member of this club, so please read through it all.