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I've got a 120 that just finished cycling (with fish) and I want to start thinking about what to add next. The fish are:
2 figure eight puffers (brackish)
1 violet goby (brackish)
1 yellow coris wrasse
5 damsels - 3 blue, 1 yellow tail, 1 four stripe

I dont want fish that get bigger than 1 foot. I'm looking at:
dragon wrasse, green coris wrasse, fosters hawk, spotted hawk, flame hawk, leopard puffer, clown fish, christmas wrasse. And the last fish I want to add is a niger trigger.

Do hawks get along with other types of hawks? what about wrasses? Any other fish suggestions? I'm trying to keep only carnivores and omnivores. thanks
 
This 120 will be my first saltwater fish tank I want to keep fish that are hardy. There are a few corals in there too. so this is what I'm thinking about adding (not right now but eventually)
cleaner wrasse
pair or clownfish
leopard wrasse
flame hawk
foster's hawk
niger trigger

I have good filtration because of the advice I got from this site and I'm sure my filters can handle some more bio load. the trigger will be the biggest fish (eventually) and its the one I'm the most worried about in the tank. any advice on compatibility?

I'm setting up a second salt tank 29 gal and you will love to hear that I'm cycling it with a dead shrimp because of the advice I got on this site.:thumbs:
 
Ditch the damsels, and if you want a reef, the puffers too. I'm not familiar with the violet goby, so I can't comment on that. Good luck catching the damsels!


Ok, well please don't get a cleaner wrasse, leave them on the reef. There's plenty of other critters that will do their "job", and if you have a healthy tank, they'll starve...

Pair of clowns is pretty standard, and it wouldn't be a reef tank with some, IMHO.

Leopard wrasse are not cheap and not hardy. Talk to "mysterybox" if you are serious, but be prepared to do a lot of work necessary, and they will also need fine grained sand.

Flame hawks are cool but will eat small inverts.

Don't know if you can have multiple hawks in one tank, so check that.

Niger triggers may eat inverts like shrimp/crabs. There are reef safe triggers like the blue jaw and pink tail.




Glad to hear you're cycling with shrimp on the 2nd tank!
 
the advice was helpful. I ended up getting two fish for a 29g that has just finished cycling. 2 fire fish gobies ($9.99 each) at petland dunwoody. I might get the flame hawk for this tank.

For my 120. I can't lose the damsels they are too entertaining. I got a bicolor dottyback ($9.99) and a forester's hawk (29.99) The forester's hawk looks very nice and the first thing it did in my tank was eat the dottyback. They were both similar size, so the hawk is bad. I'm not really planning on adding more corals other than xenia, once I find some. I guess my tank is a semi aggressive tank. Some corals but not really a reef tank. I do enjoy watching every fish in the tank tear up some live ghost shrimp.

The cleaner wrasses ($9.99) at petland eat everything we feed them, but I still decided against it. All the spotted wrasses ($19.99) have sold but one and its very nice looking, but I'll pass. Easy and hardy fish only.
 
Mug, nobody's trying to get on you. We're all interested in your success and hapiness in the hobby. I did something very similar to years ago. Everybody tried to warn me and I didn't listen because I knew I was right

Within a couple weeks all the fish were dead.
 
what went wrong with your tank Dave? I’ve been checking my water daily and its still perfect. I don’t pretend to know anything about saltwater tanks because this is my first one. I’m posting to find advice from someone who has kept some of these aggressive fish before. I know some people are against feeding fish live food so I wont get into that. The next smallest fish in the tank is a damsel and I wouldn’t be too sad if the hawk decided to eat one. (I’d take the rest of the smaller damsels out if that happened). Thanks for reminding me about the jumping concern. I do have tops on all my tanks. Getting the bicoclor psudochromis was my idea and I do research on all the fish before I buy them. I’ve read and was told that they are territorial and can take on bigger fish, so I thought they might be ok if they grew up together. I was wrong, but on the positive side I fed my new hawk a 10 dollar meal to get him settled into the new tank. The hawk looks like a blimp, its belly is so stuffed.
Whenever I decide to get more fish I’m thinking about a tomato or maroon clown, bird wrasse, and niger trigger. (big enough that the hawk can’t eat of course) I’m the most worried about the niger trigger, but I’ve been told and have read that some are nice and some are terrors. I hope I can find a small one that is somewhere in the middle.
 
The water quality tested fine through the whole experience... but it wound up being too many fish, too quickly added together, too many different kinds, too many pecking orders, too much stress (which starts a domino effect that makes a fish starve itself), etc...

My most enjoyment has been since then when I took things almost painfully slowly... everything settled in much more peacefully, everything got along better, and it's a lot of fun seeing things grow along with the tank!

I recently restarted my tank (long story short - we were gonna put in a 125 fowlr, so I took all my stuff from my 75 to a place for credits, used the 75 to prep stuff for the 125, then there were changes and the 125 never went up, so the 75 is getting a fresh start)... and it is an absolute blast seeing what's happening in there!

I've got a green bubble tip, a couple cleaners, two tiny nemos, and a sea apple (leave the sea apple comments out, ok? I know... I know... It's a potential time bomb...)

The anemone and apple have been hanging out together for about a week, no stress, etc.... I've been letting them get used to it...

But I know I'll need to increase the flow by the time this tank is fully developed, so I'll be returning one of the powerheads I took out before and getting it in there, prbably with a little live rock to deflect the direct flow away from the nem and the apple so they're not freaking out, and they'll both move... probably to different places.

The trick is... SLOWLY.... it will have been at least three weeks before I make this ONE change (two if you include the rock). I'll probably add some shrimpses and snailses at that time, too.

Then I'll let it settle back down for a few weeks before I make my next move - probably a calm tang or a royal gramma.

Hope this answers your question.
 
Mug;553172 wrote: what went wrong with your tank Dave? I’ve been checking my water daily and its still perfect. I don’t pretend to know anything about saltwater tanks because this is my first one. I’m posting to find advice from someone who has kept some of these aggressive fish before. I know some people are against feeding fish live food so I wont get into that. The next smallest fish in the tank is a damsel and I wouldn’t be too sad if the hawk decided to eat one. (I’d take the rest of the smaller damsels out if that happened). Thanks for reminding me about the jumping concern. I do have tops on all my tanks. Getting the bicoclor psudochromis was my idea and I do research on all the fish before I buy them. I’ve read and was told that they are territorial and can take on bigger fish, so I thought they might be ok if they grew up together. I was wrong, but on the positive side I fed my new hawk a 10 dollar meal to get him settled into the new tank. The hawk looks like a blimp, its belly is so stuffed.
Whenever I decide to get more fish I’m thinking about a tomato or maroon clown, bird wrasse, and niger trigger. (big enough that the hawk can’t eat of course) I’m the most worried about the niger trigger, but I’ve been told and have read that some are nice and some are terrors. I hope I can find a small one that is somewhere in the middle.

It's not just about water quality. The types of fish you add, and when you add them, can add to stress and cause them to be more susceptible to disease, cause them to fight, etc. First, don't buy any more fish for a while. Let everything settle for a couple weeks. In the mean time, spend some one-on-one time with someone that has a lot of experience. I'd say go to Tim at Keen Reef, Chris at Fish Scales, Jenn at Imagine Ocean, or John at All Things Aquatic. These are the people that I've had experience with and have gotten nothing but sage advice. Talk to them about your system, current inhabitants, and what you plan to do in the future.

From what you've told us, I don't think anyone will disagree that you've jumped in a little quick. Answers to the following questions will really help tailor the advice to exactly what you need and will keep people from chastising you because there's something you haven't said. I know some of these have been answered vaguely, but specific answers will lead to specific advice.

When, exactly, did you first set up your tank and begin the cycle?
How long did it cycle for?
What, exactly, did you use to cycle (number and type of fish)?
Tell us everything about your system and equipment.
What is the current stock list?
List the specific types of fish you are thinking of adding and we'll be able to tell you which will work and which won't. Also list any types of coral you will be planning on adding.
 
Hi Guys, yes Morgan works for me, He's a freshwater guy, we have been guideing him along the cycle process, but he is eager as many new to salt water are and getting stuff when I was not there, lesson learned, I talked with him yesterday about his next choices for fish. I suggested he join here to get good advice, I doubt any of you have never made a mistake with a tank before so the few who are being hard on him, hey man give the guy a break, good advice always helps. Ken
 
I think you gave him good advice in joining the forum to learn...

There are many here at ARC that value the opportunity to help.

My only advice would be to stop, do not add anything more, to concentrate on reading up and understanding the husbandry and general practices employed by experienced reefers.

The first major step being the same as undertaking any complex project that you care about - plan, plan and plan some more.

While planning the next steps, concentrate on keeping water paramaters stable and getting into a maintenace routine on the current setup as it stands now.

The initial enjoyment of rushing to add a cool creature is quickly diminished when it dies, or kills something else in the tank.
 
fishfarm;553457 wrote: Hi Guys, yes Morgan works for me, He's a freshwater guy, we have been guideing him along the cycle process, but he is eager as many new to salt water are and getting stuff when I was not there, lesson learned, I talked with him yesterday about his next choices for fish. I suggested he join here to get good advice, I doubt any of you have never made a mistake with a tank before so the few who are being hard on him, hey man give the guy a break, good advice always helps. Ken

If you think we're being hard on him, how would you suggest we communicate our advice? This is one of those issues where constructive criticism and helpful advice is misconstrued as berating, most likely because it is communicate through text from people you don't know. If someone asks advice they need to be open to both positive and negative criticism.

I think I can speak for pretty much every person on this site when I say that we all realize everyone makes mistakes, and each and every one of us, especially me, has been there and will even be there again in the future. If I didn't have people telling me there is a better way to do something, I wouldn't learn and I would be stuck making the same mistakes for the rest of my life.

I think the advice given here was sound and delivered respectfully. If you disagree, I ask again, how do you suggest we communicate it?
 
dawgdude;553471 wrote: Ken was directing that at me I am sure and not you.

It doesn't matter who it was directed at. You were not mean and did not say anything disrespectful or unnecessary.
 
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