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I'm setting up a 40g breeder frag tank next to my 65g DT, and I already have a 29g display refugium with macro and LR on the other side. I want to tie all three together.

For the fuge return I dropped a utility pump in the sump, and ran 3/4" flexible hose from 2 bulkhead overflows. Putting a gate valve on one of the returns has worked very well for tuning the flow and making it silent.

However, I don't think my current sump (about 15g) will support the extra water from all 3 tanks when I shut the pump(s) off. Plus I need to upgrade my Reef Octopus NWB110 skimmer at some point, and want more space. I'm thinking about using a 29g underneath the 40b as the new sump, and relocating the skimmer to it. It would fit under the open stand with a few inches on each side.

When I do this, I want to upgrade the main return pump to handle all of the following flows, and eliminate 2 utility pumps in the sump:
- return to 65g DT (fed by Deep Blue Triton 3 - 850 gph)
- return to 29g fuge (fed by MJ1100)
- return to 40g frag tank (new)
- GFO reactor (fed by MJ600 throttled back)
- Carbon reactor (likely future)
- Remote Deep Sand Bed in a bucket (possible future)

I have a few questions that I'm hoping someone can help me with.
- How do I size the pump? All 3 tanks are on the same floor, and I have a max of about 4' head. However, the fuge will have almost 6 feet of horizontal travel for the overflow and returns.
- What's the best way to tie in the multiple lines for the 3 returns and reactor feeds? I haven't been able to find any guidelines for feeding this many pipes. I'd rather not build something that's 3 feet long just to support all the shutoffs and valves.
- Can I get away with flexible hoses between the systems? The black hose with barbed connectors was easy to work with, and I'd hate to have to tear down too much of the fuge to upgrade it. Much easier to buy longer hose. :)

I still have to sort out the lighting for the frag tank, but that can wait until I have water flowing. I'm probably going to stick with T5s, since that's what I have on the DT.

Thanks for any directions,
Doug
 
I can tell you not to over think the plumbing. Pressure will make it flow through just about any configuration. Just add shut off valves for control and you're set. Unions and union ball valves also make life much easier.
 
On my new system I will have-

-2x displays
-2x fuges
-2x sumps

The sumps will be cross connected, with 1 pump/pipe flowing one way, and 2x pipes providing the return flow.

The level of the 2x sumps will be gravity balanced.
 
I have done something similar. 1 display, 2 frag, 2 fuge, 1 system tank(top off, skimmer, etc). You don't want the return to be so fast that it creates a microbubble problem. This is a common problem with gravity fed tanks
 
Rhyerob;825007 wrote: I can tell you not to over think the plumbing. Pressure will make it flow through just about any configuration. Just add shut off valves for control and you're set. Unions and union ball valves also make life much easier.

And this refers to the return plumbing. The plumbing connecting the two sumps are LOW pressure...completely different animal. Let me find a link
 
http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showpost.php?p=817183">http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showpost.php?p=817183</a>

This is my advice when connecting two sumps that share the same water levels
 
djatl;824801 wrote: I'm setting up a 40g breeder frag tank next to my 65g DT, and I already have a 29g display refugium with macro and LR on the other side. I want to tie all three together.

For the fuge return I dropped a utility pump in the sump, and ran 3/4" flexible hose from 2 bulkhead overflows. Putting a gate valve on one of the returns has worked very well for tuning the flow and making it silent.

However, I don't think my current sump (about 15g) will support the extra water from all 3 tanks when I shut the pump(s) off. Plus I need to upgrade my Reef Octopus NWB110 skimmer at some point, and want more space. I'm thinking about using a 29g underneath the 40b as the new sump, and relocating the skimmer to it. It would fit under the open stand with a few inches on each side.

When I do this, I want to upgrade the main return pump to handle all of the following flows, and eliminate 2 utility pumps in the sump:
- return to 65g DT (fed by Deep Blue Triton 3 - 850 gph)
- return to 29g fuge (fed by MJ1100)
- return to 40g frag tank (new)
- GFO reactor (fed by MJ600 throttled back)
- Carbon reactor (likely future)
- Remote Deep Sand Bed in a bucket (possible future)

I have a few questions that I'm hoping someone can help me with.
- How do I size the pump? All 3 tanks are on the same floor, and I have a max of about 4' head. However, the fuge will have almost 6 feet of horizontal travel for the overflow and returns.
- What's the best way to tie in the multiple lines for the 3 returns and reactor feeds? I haven't been able to find any guidelines for feeding this many pipes. I'd rather not build something that's 3 feet long just to support all the shutoffs and valves.
- Can I get away with flexible hoses between the systems? The black hose with barbed connectors was easy to work with, and I'd hate to have to tear down too much of the fuge to upgrade it. Much easier to buy longer hose. :)

I still have to sort out the lighting for the frag tank, but that can wait until I have water flowing. I'm probably going to stick with T5s, since that's what I have on the DT.

Thanks for any directions,
Doug
Ok so I re-read your original post. You will have to drill each tank sitting on the floor. Each water level should stair step, at least 1/2" at a time glass to glass/tank to tank(1" is better.) Use the largest PVC you can. You shouldn't have a micro bubble problem if you baffle. I do because my systems tank is under sized.

Siphons will not work. You would need alot of them and pressure is what makes them flow. Plus there is a 2" min diff between two tanks water levels when the siphon stops flowing. This is how I used to top off.
 
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