Does anyone use a garlic extract when feeding your fish? I read that it helps with ich and its healthy for the fish.
Garlic extract
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I use it on about 2 feedings a week. I don't believe it outright kill the ich parasite itself. It's more of an appetite stimulant that entices and keeps the infected fish eating. One of the main recommendations of ich is feed, feed, feed...
Some may say that if you use it with every feeding then it will affect the fish's liver in an adverse way. I'm not very educated on that. Hopefully someone with more experience will chime in...
Oh yeah. Get some Selcon in your arsenal. I love this stuff, and my fish seem to do the same...
Do you have an ich problem? What kind of fish, and what kind of tank, inhabitants, etc...
Best of luck!!!
Some may say that if you use it with every feeding then it will affect the fish's liver in an adverse way. I'm not very educated on that. Hopefully someone with more experience will chime in...
Oh yeah. Get some Selcon in your arsenal. I love this stuff, and my fish seem to do the same...
Do you have an ich problem? What kind of fish, and what kind of tank, inhabitants, etc...
Best of luck!!!
I looks like I do have an ich issue right now. I have a 40 breeder with 2 small clown and 3 box anthias (1 male 2 females). One on my anthias females is having the issue. I fed the fish some flake food earlier today and noticed she was hanging out at the bottom back corner of the tank. And not eating any food. I checked her out and she has some white spots (not sand) on her right side. My wife said she noticed that the male was chasing her around earlier. I waited about 45 minutes and fed some pellet food. All the fish minus the infected fish ate once again. About an hour later I pulled some brine shrimp from the freezer and thawed it in some tank water and fed them once again. She ate the brine shrimp this time. I'm not sure if the male is trying to kill her, chase her away from his favorite spot or do some type of rough sex mating ritual.
I jumped on here and searched around and saw that a lot of people mentioned using a garlic extract to help combat ich. It makes sense though that its would mainly be used to incise the fish to eat and stay healthy during their sickness.
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Garlic will have no effect on ich. Cedz is right, it just helps to get the fish to eat. Keeping them eating and strong is the only way they can fight it off so it does help in that way. No way for you to catch them and set up quarantine?
I'm sure I can quarantine her. Gonna need to buy another tank. I've never set up a quarantine tank before.
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It's the only way to truly get rid of ich. I'm sure there is a thread on here about setting up a qt. Anybody got a link?
If you QT you have to do all the fish. The ich is in the tank and as long as there are fish there is a food source for the ich.
For the fish(all of them) mix a large batch of food with Metro, focus and garlic. You can re freeze it. Feed multiple times a day but no more than they will consume in a few minutes. Keep feeding the medicated food for several days after the signs of ich are gone.
The biggest help to a fish when fighting ich is a strong immune system. Eating often helps build the immune system as does the metro. The focus and garlic help enhance the fish's appetite. When thawing the food don't thaw in water or the medicine will leach out of the food. To help, the fish need to eat the medicine and therefore you don't want it diluted in the water any longer then necessary.
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For the fish(all of them) mix a large batch of food with Metro, focus and garlic. You can re freeze it. Feed multiple times a day but no more than they will consume in a few minutes. Keep feeding the medicated food for several days after the signs of ich are gone.
The biggest help to a fish when fighting ich is a strong immune system. Eating often helps build the immune system as does the metro. The focus and garlic help enhance the fish's appetite. When thawing the food don't thaw in water or the medicine will leach out of the food. To help, the fish need to eat the medicine and therefore you don't want it diluted in the water any longer then necessary.
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You are in luck as Petco is having the dollar per gallon sale right now, so getting another tank for QT is not that expensive right now. Fortunately you have fish that stand up well to copper treatments if it gets bad, and you have to go that route.
The anthias life is an interesting one. The male chases and chastises the female to keep her submissive and keep her from turning into a male. Below is an interesting article on anthias. Long read, but worth it...
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Well do I really need a QT tank if I have to do all the fish? Can't I just treat them in the tank they are in now. I only have a few corals ( tubs blue zoas, pink month cap, GSP, a few mushrooms and soe orange digita). Can I treat the corals in the tank they are in now?
Metro and focus will not hurt corals. But you may have another outbreak if you don't leave the tank empty for six weeks. The ich lays eggs which hatch in about four weeks. If fish are in the tank it has a food source and will start again. If no fish are in the tank it will die.
Now what have I done in the past? I have treated in the tank. I have tangs which are ich magnets so I am prepared for when an outbreak happens and have everything on hand.
But the Hospital tank is a good way as well and safer in the long run. In addition, once you have it you can QT any new fish in it for the recommended time before putting them in the display. That way if the come to you with some ailment they won't infect the others and you can use medications you couldn't use in your display.
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Now what have I done in the past? I have treated in the tank. I have tangs which are ich magnets so I am prepared for when an outbreak happens and have everything on hand.
But the Hospital tank is a good way as well and safer in the long run. In addition, once you have it you can QT any new fish in it for the recommended time before putting them in the display. That way if the come to you with some ailment they won't infect the others and you can use medications you couldn't use in your display.
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No, treatment will kill your corals. If you can't catch all the fish then follow the advice given on feeding them and hope for the best is really all you can do. It can work, I had to do it and all my fish made it. They can build up an immunity to ich but it will always be there. My hippo still has an outbreak anytime she gets stressed.
Thanks for the help guys.... I just finished all those articles on the Anthias and its SOS e good info in there. I'm off to the pet store first thing tomorrow.
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Very true, typing faster than my brain was thinking. Most copper medications are relatively safe for corals but will wipe out the inverts.
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Best of luck!!! Just remember to keep some freshly mixed water on hand as ammonia can spike quickly in a QT/HT. Make sure you monitor the parameters almost constantly as there is no biological filter in these tanks.
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I think the best thing you can do is to keep the appetite of your fish healthy. I would not recommend doing regular FW dips, those should be on an as needed basis because they are extremely stressful.
Future preventative measures:
UV sterilizers are great at eliminating excess parasites and microbes. They will not eliminate outbreaks but they will aid in keeping them in check. This is important with species that are prone to infectious disease outbreaks, such as tangs.
Buy QT'ed fish if you cannot QT (general rule of thumb that you know
)
Get some biological cleaners!
Treatment options:
There are natural treatment options as well as chemical options. Cleaner shrimps and fishes do aid in keeping parasites in check. They are not guaranteed to work and they will more than likely ignore smaller fish. They do however respond quite well to tangs. Copper and formalin are chemical options for combating parasites. When treating any parasite you are essentially delivering a dose of poison small enough to kill the parasite (invertebrates) but not the fish. Which is why you must be careful and follow dosing instructions! Corals are invertebrates like shrimp, and they will die from prolonged exposure to these chemicals. Metro and focus are great for building immunity. Garlic does not do much for them nutritionally, it just stimulates their hunger response
-Elizabeth
Future preventative measures:
UV sterilizers are great at eliminating excess parasites and microbes. They will not eliminate outbreaks but they will aid in keeping them in check. This is important with species that are prone to infectious disease outbreaks, such as tangs.
Buy QT'ed fish if you cannot QT (general rule of thumb that you know
)Get some biological cleaners!
Treatment options:
There are natural treatment options as well as chemical options. Cleaner shrimps and fishes do aid in keeping parasites in check. They are not guaranteed to work and they will more than likely ignore smaller fish. They do however respond quite well to tangs. Copper and formalin are chemical options for combating parasites. When treating any parasite you are essentially delivering a dose of poison small enough to kill the parasite (invertebrates) but not the fish. Which is why you must be careful and follow dosing instructions! Corals are invertebrates like shrimp, and they will die from prolonged exposure to these chemicals. Metro and focus are great for building immunity. Garlic does not do much for them nutritionally, it just stimulates their hunger response
-Elizabeth
peachyreef;855711 wrote: I think the best thing you can do is to keep the appetite of your fish healthy. I would not recommend doing regular FW dips, those should be on an as needed basis because they are extremely stressful.
Future preventative measures:
UV sterilizers are great at eliminating excess parasites and microbes. They will not eliminate outbreaks but they will aid in keeping them in check. This is important with species that are prone to infectious disease outbreaks, such as tangs.
Buy QT'ed fish if you cannot QT (general rule of thumb that you know
Get some biological cleaners!
Treatment options:
There are natural treatment options as well as chemical options. Cleaner shrimps and fishes do aid in keeping parasites in check. They are not guaranteed to work and they will more than likely ignore smaller fish. They do however respond quite well to tangs. Copper and formalin are chemical options for combating parasites. When treating any parasite you are essentially delivering a dose of poison small enough to kill the parasite (invertebrates) but not the fish. Which is why you must be careful and follow dosing instructions! Corals are invertebrates like shrimp, and they will die from prolonged exposure to these chemicals. Metro and focus are great for building immunity. Garlic does not do much for them nutritionally, it just stimulates their hunger response
-Elizabeth
Excellent advice.
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