Ich with no symtoms

[jenkins2212]

Just bought a cbb and he is swimming and nipping at rock basically no symtoms of ick. But since i brought him home from the lfs hes developed white spots on his fins. This morning i noticed two small black spots as well. He is still acting fine and no other fish show symptoms at all. I did raise temp to around 84 and drop down to 1.016 i think. I really need some help since i have no qt and have a full blown reef so i cant dose copper. Thanks

Also wont stay still long enough to take a pic.

 

[salt reefer]

i will say try a fresh water dip but be very carful with that i now it will kill the blak ick. but you need to get the fresh water the same temp first and dont leave it in the very long just a minute or 2 . but first make sure with everyone else first. the black ick. is acttualy a worm not a viruse but the white ick. is a viruse i think. hope it help but plz make sure from more expereanced reefes. good luck.

 

[william1]

I would start overfeeding and do some lights out a couple days a week. Thus keeping them healthy and giving them time to sleep and fight against the virus well the lights are out. I just recently had the same problem, all fish survived.

 

[jennm]

The rest of the reef won't like a SG of 1.016.

FW dip should be done for 7 minutes or so - any less won't be long enough to be effective, if you choose that route.

PraziPro may help with the "black ich" which is actually a Turbellarian worm.

Ich - Cryptocaryon irritans is a parasite also, not a virus.

Your best bet *is* quarantine, IMO.

Jenn

 

[salt reefer]

opps jennm is right white is parisite to sorry.

 

[jenkins2212]

sorry dawg dude this is my first time with anything like this and im reading and reading and trying to do everything everyone is saying. I just dont want one fish to wipe out my whole tank ive established for three years! When do you suggest i start making changes?

 

[jenkins2212]

Also since the cbb is only eating pods i think right now (havent taken frozen mysis) How should i dose the tank with garlic to boost immunity?

 

[jenkins2212]

Thanks dawg dude i guess ill try that then. Hopefully everything works out. I dont know if my wife will let me keep my saltwater slush fund if her favorite fish dies:sad:

 

[jennm]

Was the CBB eating in the LFS when you bought it? If so, find out what and offer that.

You can also offer more natural-looking stuff like clams on the half shell, mysis etc. Those you can add garlic to. Seachem Entice may stimulate a feeding response instead of garlic, if you're having trouble getting the fish to start eating.

You can also add vitamins and amino acids either as a water additive or better, through a food additive. All of those will boost the immune system, and help the fish fight it off, but with the black "ich" you may need to take other measures.

The other danger - IMO the worst problem with parasites, is not so much the parasites themselves, although they are a problem - but the worse risk is the secondary infection that can set in from bite sites. This is why quarantine is a good idea.

I don't recommend unnecessary use of antibiotics, but sometimes they are indicated if the creature comes down with an infection after the fact. I think this kills more fish than parasites alone.

Jenn

 

[jenkins2212]

Cant find clams on the half shell in athens!!!! He seems to be staying nice and fat.

 

[jenkins2212]

72 gallon bow I thought the point of the clam is for the shell?

 

[jennm]

The reason for my suggestion of clam on the half shell, was because it more realistically simulates what a wild specimen might encounter and eat. Yes, for some species that need to grind their teeth, the shell itself is of benefit. In this case, for a butterfly, fleshy matter on a natural shell may be more visually appealing than flakes or pellets or even some frozen preparations that have been processed to the point that they don't resemble any foodstuff that the fish might encounter in the wild.

And it doesn't matter if it comes from the grocery store - but if it does, make sure it's well rinsed to remove any preservatives (many are phosphate-based).

Jenn

 

[jmaneyapanda]

JennM;407592 wrote: The reason for my suggestion of clam on the half shell, was because it more realistically simulates what a wild specimen might encounter and eat. Yes, for some species that need to grind their teeth, the shell itself is of benefit. In this case, for a butterfly, fleshy matter on a natural shell may be more visually appealing than flakes or pellets or even some frozen preparations that have been processed to the point that they don't resemble any foodstuff that the fish might encounter in the wild.

And it doesn't matter if it comes from the grocery store - but if it does, make sure it's well rinsed to remove any preservatives (many are phosphate-based).

Jenn

While clams are not a natural diet items for Copperband Butterflies, they do have a remarkable beneficial efffect of feeding response. Perhaps because of smell, or consistancy, or flavor. If you get him eating someone (such as clams), start rubbing your prepared foods on the item that is eaten to wean them over.

 

[jennm]

People have also reported success by smearing prepared foods on a dead coral skeleton (ie a goniopora skeleton or something with a lot of texture/pits). Some have even suggested baking a bit of food on ... not a lot, just enough to dry it on there so it doesn't just slough off when you put the skeleton in the water.

Since many butterflies are coral eaters, they are also likely to pick at a coral skeleton with food on it.

The flipside of that is that it might encourage them to pick on other corals... so do that at your own risk

Jenn