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the two fish has been at the bottom of the tank for 2 days. 1st day had some white spots but was not covered in them. Today sots was gone and the black clown had a part of its tail that looked like it was see through and it was disappearing.
Edit: they are the only two fish in the tank with no corals
Edit: definetily not fighting they have been together for a year. They are best friends.
Edit: they are the only two fish in the tank with no corals
Edit: definetily not fighting they have been together for a year. They are best friends.
They would have acclimated to frogspawn. My 10 year old pair owns every Euphyllia in the tank they're in (and there are lots).
Any other fish in the new tank?
I'd be concerned about the medication messing with inverts, and micro fauna in the tank.
Any other fish in the new tank?
I'd be concerned about the medication messing with inverts, and micro fauna in the tank.
I am not sure I understand. Were they entering the frogspawn on their own? They're smart enough not to if it was harming them. Unless the tank was so stuffed with frogspawn that the clowns had nowhere to go...
Yes, move the snails if they aren't dead already...
I've never seen a frogspawn kill a clown - ever, in 25 years. Not sure where you got that info, but it doesn't seem logical to me.
Jenn
Yes, move the snails if they aren't dead already...
I've never seen a frogspawn kill a clown - ever, in 25 years. Not sure where you got that info, but it doesn't seem logical to me.
Jenn
Based on the photos in that link, in addition to the popeye, I saw Brooklynella on them (contrary to what your advisor there said).
I can't see what they have now, but that is a distinct possibility now, especially if they didn't get rid of it when you treated the one before.
When clownfishes choose a host that isn't typical for them, they often sustain some stings until they acclimate to their surrogate host. It's not a big deal. Sometimes you will see some dark pigment spots, that clear up (sometimes they stay black) - no biggie.
Like I said, my 10 year old pair of A. ocellaris have been living in every frogspawn/hammer/torch that passes through their tank, since 2008.
If your clowns were attempting to occupy a frogspawn, if it was harming them they'd have stopped, so that bit of information makes no sense to me.
A better picture of what they have going on now is in order but I highly doubt it has anything to do with the frogspawn.
I see the person in that forum said, "<span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> Many if not most Anemonefihes can't handle the Frogspawn stings.
If you want to keep the fish, they will have to be separated from these types of invertebrates. "
Respectfully, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Almost every reef tank I've had anything to do with, had clownfishes in it, along with all manner of stinging corals.
Jenn
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I can't see what they have now, but that is a distinct possibility now, especially if they didn't get rid of it when you treated the one before.
When clownfishes choose a host that isn't typical for them, they often sustain some stings until they acclimate to their surrogate host. It's not a big deal. Sometimes you will see some dark pigment spots, that clear up (sometimes they stay black) - no biggie.
Like I said, my 10 year old pair of A. ocellaris have been living in every frogspawn/hammer/torch that passes through their tank, since 2008.
If your clowns were attempting to occupy a frogspawn, if it was harming them they'd have stopped, so that bit of information makes no sense to me.
A better picture of what they have going on now is in order but I highly doubt it has anything to do with the frogspawn.
I see the person in that forum said, "<span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> Many if not most Anemonefihes can't handle the Frogspawn stings.
If you want to keep the fish, they will have to be separated from these types of invertebrates. "
Respectfully, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Almost every reef tank I've had anything to do with, had clownfishes in it, along with all manner of stinging corals.
Jenn
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How come you never give us that many pics?
Fwiw my clowns host in every single coral that moves. Duncan, torch, frogspawn, hammer, agent orange acan, trachyphyllia, Jesse's big clam that I am holding for him, one of my chalices...
Clowns are immune to coral stings. Anemones (carpets and ritteri especially) generally pack a bigger punch than euphyllias.
A little free advice... Question everything you hear on an online forum. I am not saying that the advice on the arc is better than other forums(even though it is), but some of those guys seemed a little out there.
Take your time, and don't rush to move the clowns from tank to tank and dose 7 different medicines.
Usually clowns are more prone to get ill if they are stressed, or in poor water quality. I'm not accusing you of having either situations. Were these guys in the tank that recently had the favia issue?
Fwiw my clowns host in every single coral that moves. Duncan, torch, frogspawn, hammer, agent orange acan, trachyphyllia, Jesse's big clam that I am holding for him, one of my chalices...
Clowns are immune to coral stings. Anemones (carpets and ritteri especially) generally pack a bigger punch than euphyllias.
A little free advice... Question everything you hear on an online forum. I am not saying that the advice on the arc is better than other forums(even though it is), but some of those guys seemed a little out there.
Take your time, and don't rush to move the clowns from tank to tank and dose 7 different medicines.
Usually clowns are more prone to get ill if they are stressed, or in poor water quality. I'm not accusing you of having either situations. Were these guys in the tank that recently had the favia issue?
Thx you for your advice I will try and get better pics tomorrow. This is one of the reasons I looked for other forums! Thx again!
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Yes but there were moved before the issue. Stiil might be part of the problem but when I moved them to another tank they looked 100%.
Edit: have learned 15x more here then I have anywhere else! I appreciate all the help I get! Thx to all of ya!
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Yes but there were moved before the issue. Stiil might be part of the problem but when I moved them to another tank they looked 100%.
Edit: have learned 15x more here then I have anywhere else! I appreciate all the help I get! Thx to all of ya!
For what it's worth, in my opinion they were fine in the Rose Anemone. Scores of people here have A. ocellaris hosted by E. quadricolor - red, green, brown or whatever. Their infestation has zero to do with their host.
What I would do, is quarantine ALL the fish, and treat with Hikari Ich-X (the saltwater only version, not the fresh and saltwater version). Do NOT use that in your display. All fish that mingled with these can have Brook even if they don't show symptoms, and if you don't treat them all, they can become reinfected - which may be what happened here.
Leave the display fishless for a month or more so whatever is lurking in the display dies off without a host.
The active ingredients in the Ich-X treat Ich but they also treat Brooklynella, Oodinium and other protozoans - it's Formalin based, so if you aren't 100% sure what you're treating, it addresses most of the common ailments at once - no risk of mixing meds and having interactions, and if you mis-diagnose, that will cover a variety of ills.
To me, those pictures in the other forum clearly show Brooklynella, not 'stings' or anything else. The popeye was likely a secondary infection either from wounds from the Brook, or possibly from a separate mechanical injury - but that appears to have cleared up, so it's not a concern at this point.
All the fish need to go through the treatment.
Edit: Also important - if you use the Ich-X, do NOT use Seachem Prime or other similar water conditioners. Some use Prime to help with ammonia or nitrite in quarantine systems. If using the Ich-X, you will need to use Hikari Ultimate instead - it's compatible with that medication.
Jenn
What I would do, is quarantine ALL the fish, and treat with Hikari Ich-X (the saltwater only version, not the fresh and saltwater version). Do NOT use that in your display. All fish that mingled with these can have Brook even if they don't show symptoms, and if you don't treat them all, they can become reinfected - which may be what happened here.
Leave the display fishless for a month or more so whatever is lurking in the display dies off without a host.
The active ingredients in the Ich-X treat Ich but they also treat Brooklynella, Oodinium and other protozoans - it's Formalin based, so if you aren't 100% sure what you're treating, it addresses most of the common ailments at once - no risk of mixing meds and having interactions, and if you mis-diagnose, that will cover a variety of ills.
To me, those pictures in the other forum clearly show Brooklynella, not 'stings' or anything else. The popeye was likely a secondary infection either from wounds from the Brook, or possibly from a separate mechanical injury - but that appears to have cleared up, so it's not a concern at this point.
All the fish need to go through the treatment.
Edit: Also important - if you use the Ich-X, do NOT use Seachem Prime or other similar water conditioners. Some use Prime to help with ammonia or nitrite in quarantine systems. If using the Ich-X, you will need to use Hikari Ultimate instead - it's compatible with that medication.
Jenn
Should I do 2 QT's? One for the 2 clowns and another for the 4 fish in my main DT?
Edit: Do you sell that at you store I was going to be in that area on sun? DOes the symptoms of Brook include sitting on the the bottom of a tank twitching every so often?
Edit: Do you sell that at you store I was going to be in that area on sun? DOes the symptoms of Brook include sitting on the the bottom of a tank twitching every so often?
You can if you want to, but I'd do them all together if you have a large enough QT. Either way they all need to be treated.
I've seen "carriers".... fish that never show symptoms of an illness, but if they aren't treated, the ones that are treated and reintroduced to the tank end up getting reinfected. If the parasite or protozoan has a host, it will keep reproducing. If there are no host fish, they can't complete their life cycle and will die out. It's just not worth the risk. Treat them all.
You're lucky - I've seen Brooklynella kill in hours. I've also seen some fish live with it for extended periods of time before the problem was identified and treated. Yours appear to be like the latter - they've had it for a while, or had it more than once. It's often called "clownfish disease" because clowns are most prone to it, but it's not exclusive to them. During the hot summer months we often see it in Royal Grammas out of Haiti if they aren't properly handled/treated/quarantined. It only takes one infected fish to infest them all, whether they show symptoms or not.
Jenn
I've seen "carriers".... fish that never show symptoms of an illness, but if they aren't treated, the ones that are treated and reintroduced to the tank end up getting reinfected. If the parasite or protozoan has a host, it will keep reproducing. If there are no host fish, they can't complete their life cycle and will die out. It's just not worth the risk. Treat them all.
You're lucky - I've seen Brooklynella kill in hours. I've also seen some fish live with it for extended periods of time before the problem was identified and treated. Yours appear to be like the latter - they've had it for a while, or had it more than once. It's often called "clownfish disease" because clowns are most prone to it, but it's not exclusive to them. During the hot summer months we often see it in Royal Grammas out of Haiti if they aren't properly handled/treated/quarantined. It only takes one infected fish to infest them all, whether they show symptoms or not.
Jenn
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