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Is this obsession/craze still going on?

Do you prefer nice corals that dont have the name or price of LE? Or do you prefer designer names and corals? What reasons dictate your preferance?
 
I use the names only for reference how a coral "should" look - totally NOT interested in who saw it first (that's all that a name states anyway...)
 
I was into LE Corals when I first got into reefing, but not any more. I will buy an LE Coral if I like it, but I will buy any other that is not LE if I like it. What I have found is that many corals you don't think are attractive become that way once they are in your system, and vice versa. That, along with the cruddy sales practices of many online dealers regarding their photography and presentation, and the fact that every dealer names their own LE corals all the time, negates the entire concept for me.
 
Acroholic;784625 wrote: I was into LE Corals when I first got into reefing, but not any more. I will buy an LE Coral if I like it, but I will buy any other that is not LE if I like it. What I have found is that many corals you don't think are attractive become that way once they are in your system, and vice versa. That, along with the cruddy sales practices of many online dealers regarding their photography and presentation, and the fact that every dealer names their own LE corals all the time, negates the entire concept for me.

I totally agree and relate. I used to want a bunch of the fancy named stuff, now I am finding that some of the mystery maricultured stuff can be ugly ducklings.
 
What I find silly is "LE" itself. "Limited Edition"??? Did anybody ask Mother Nature if she limited "production" of a given creature?

Sure, some colour morphs are more unusual or rare than others, but just "who" is doing the, "limiting"?

I've seen named stuff that looks just like stuff I got via the usual wholesale channels. Just because Joe LE Seller bought some from the same source I did, but the wholesaler sold 50 colonies of identical stuff (because it was all collected from the same spot)... doesn't make it "limited".

It's bugged me since it became a fad when Reefer Madness put that sort of thing on the map.

And because corals will change in response to the lighting and other variables, it's impossible to say if it will stay in your tank, the colour it was when you first saw it (either online or in a local seller's tank.)

If you like it, get it, as long as you're set up to care for it.

JMHO

Jenn
 
JennM;784629 wrote: What I find silly is "LE" itself. "Limited Edition"??? Did anybody ask Mother Nature if she limited "production" of a given creature?

Sure, some colour morphs are more unusual or rare than others, but just "who" is doing the, "limiting"?

I've seen named stuff that looks just like stuff I got via the usual wholesale channels. Just because Joe LE Seller bought some from the same source I did, but the wholesaler sold 50 colonies of identical stuff (because it was all collected from the same spot)... doesn't make it "limited".

It's bugged me since it became a fad when Reefer Madness put that sort of thing on the map.

And because corals will change in response to the lighting and other variables, it's impossible to say if it will stay in your tank, the colour it was when you first saw it (either online or in a local seller's tank.)

<u>If you like it, get it, as long as you're set up to care for it.
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JMHO

Jenn
I agree totally.
 
JennM;784629 wrote: What I find silly is "LE" itself. "Limited Edition"??? Did anybody ask Mother Nature if she limited "production" of a given creature?

Sure, some colour morphs are more unusual or rare than others, but just "who" is doing the, "limiting"?

I've seen named stuff that looks just like stuff I got via the usual wholesale channels. Just because Joe LE Seller bought some from the same source I did, but the wholesaler sold 50 colonies of identical stuff (because it was all collected from the same spot)... doesn't make it "limited".

It's bugged me since it became a fad when Reefer Madness put that sort of thing on the map.

And because corals will change in response to the lighting and other variables, it's impossible to say if it will stay in your tank, the colour it was when you first saw it (either online or in a local seller's tank.)

If you like it, get it, as long as you're set up to care for it.

JMHO

Jenn

+1 and then most people want to get money out of their grown out frag.
 
Le is just a way they use to justify high prices and people buy them mainly for braging rights look at chalace by far one if the worst le marketing scams in the hobbie most are uggly or realy common now 2k for a eye kma
 
i find that most of the stuff i like is LE... Some stuff might be the "same" ie- Magicians v/s Happy PE, etc

but

some stuff is without a doubt "special or le". When is the last time you went to a lfs and they had a rainbow chalice like Rainbow Crush or something sitting in there tank for $20? :o)

(ps - lmk if they do and ill be riiiiight over!)
 
1mbrews8;784688 wrote: i find that most of the stuff i like is LE... Some stuff might be the "same" ie- Magicians v/s Happy PE, etc

but

some stuff is without a doubt "special or le". When is the last time you went to a lfs and they had a rainbow chalice like Rainbow Crush or something sitting in there tank for $20? :o)

(ps - lmk if they do and ill be riiiiight over!)

How many rainbow chalices have you seen pictures of in the wild? :)
 
The crazed has died down. But I am still always looking for a few selected named corals
 
I'll go on the record as saying IMO LE and designer names are different. Designer names help people identify a coral. LE to me can or should be 3 things more or less: Slow growing, hard to keep by the average to intermediate aquarist, or something that has recently been discovered. What gets me is that some people will sell corals for a premium price that grow like xenia.
 
I don't associate LE with rare. I associate LE with colorful. But I think there are some non LE corals that are just as colorful. But what happens is that the more and more you look at that coral in your tank (no matter how colorful it is) the more bored you become with it. Then the new hot zoa that is different and colorful comes along at $50 a polyp and you are sitting there staring at your "yesterday's news" zoa and you just gotta have the new one.

I personally would wait for someone else to take that $50 a polyp hit and then I will buy their frags for usually less than half that.
 
This is going to be offensive to some and others really won't care, but... Blunt reality is, the people who seem to hate "LE" or the concept thereof, are the ones who don't have money to spend on it.

True LE coral is like a Candy Basslet or Gem Tang. It's beautiful, hard to get, or hard to keep. Only difference is, we as hobbyist have success making more corals in our tank as opposed to fish. So, LE assigned to a coral loses it's designation much more quickly. Will the perfect conditions have to exist for that coral to reach the pinnacle of its potential? Probably. What creature or product on this planet doesn't need the most ideal conditions to reach its fullest potential?

My true passion and hobby is wine. People are utterly disgusted at what a single bottle is worth to someone. I appreciate it like a great work of art. And when I say appreciate it, I don't just mean I acknowledge it costs a lot of money. Rather, you could put that wine in a brown paper bag and taste me blind and I would tell you exactly what it is and where it's from. I feel, taste, and breath it. (Try me if you don't believe me!)

Wine is so much like coral. You can buy a bottle when released that has been deemed a "perfect wine" by the wine critics and collectors alike. You can do everything right that you're supposed to. Keep it at the right temp, humidity, away from vibration and age it for a period that is supposed to be just right. You then open it up and it tastes like garbage. Why? Any number of reasons. Its transportation to the US was not temp controlled. The cork had TCA and tainted the wine. Or, it was simply too young or in a "dummy stage".

I can't tell you how many times I've sat with friends where everyone brings a wine to compete in a high stakes game of bragging rights and people are "burned" by the bottle they brought because it performed like crap at the competition. All the wines are in brown bags and no one knows whose wine it is or what the wine is. We all taste it blindly and bluntly evaluate it. You know how bad it hurts to have brought a bottle worth several thousand dollars and have people spit it out and call it garbage? Anyone whose bought an LE coral or prized fish that went T's up knows.

Conversely, when you buy a prized coral (Or wine) that not only lives up to it's LE billing but exceeds it, it's so gratifying! It's like catching that 12lb bass in the lake that everyone talks about. You've fished that lake every week for 10 years and never caught anything bigger than a 2lb large mouth. But, one weekend you catch her and reel her in! All 12 pounds!

Can you buy a non LE coral (or wine) and be shocked at what it becomes? Sure. But, how many brown acros do you have to buy to wait and see what they turn into? LOTS.

Most retailers hate LE because they can't get their hands on it. It simply doesn't appear on their wholesaler stock list. Most hobbyist seem to hate it because they think it's not worth the price. Others just seem to hate because, well, they're just haters. So, that leaves the minority. The evil 2%

All that being said, I don't spend stupid money on coral. I put stupid money into quality equipment to keep what I do have alive and well. Do I have LE stuff? Sure. But, I didn't pay LE prices! ;)

Be smart and buy smart is how I try to go. (Not always successful) But, I love an open market and seeing the price any given item may fetch.
 
Good point Seth but old wine usuly sucks down right horable tasting if its passed the 100 year mark
But with drinking old wine you are drinking history wat was gowing on during the time it was bottled that is the part most don't git about it
Can't do that with le corals
 
Seth The Wine Guy;784741 wrote: This is going to be offensive to some and others really won't care, but... Blunt reality is, the people who seem to hate "LE" or the concept thereof, are the ones who don't have money to spend on it.

True LE coral is like a Candy Basslet or Gem Tang. It's beautiful, hard to get, or hard to keep. Only difference is, we as hobbyist have success making more corals in our tank as opposed to fish. So, LE assigned to a coral loses it's designation much more quickly. Will the perfect conditions have to exist for that coral to reach the pinnacle of its potential? Probably. What creature or product on this planet doesn't need the most ideal conditions to reach its fullest potential?

My true passion and hobby is wine. People are utterly disgusted at what a single bottle is worth to someone. I appreciate it like a great work of art. And when I say appreciate it, I don't just mean I acknowledge it costs a lot of money. Rather, you could put that wine in a brown paper bag and taste me blind and I would tell you exactly what it is and where it's from. I feel, taste, and breath it. (Try me if you don't believe me!)

Wine is so much like coral. You can buy a bottle when released that has been deemed a "perfect wine" by the wine critics and collectors alike. You can do everything right that you're supposed to. Keep it at the right temp, humidity, away from vibration and age it for a period that is supposed to be just right. You then open it up and it tastes like garbage. Why? Any number of reasons. Its transportation to the US was not temp controlled. The cork had TCA and tainted the wine. Or, it was simply too young or in a "dummy stage".

I can't tell you how many times I've sat with friends where everyone brings a wine to compete in a high stakes game of bragging rights and people are "burned" by the bottle they brought because it performed like crap at the competition. All the wines are in brown bags and no one knows whose wine it is or what the wine is. We all taste it blindly and bluntly evaluate it. You know how bad it hurts to have brought a bottle worth several thousand dollars and have people spit it out and call it garbage? Anyone whose bought an LE coral or prized fish that went T's up knows.

Conversely, when you buy a prized coral (Or wine) that not only lives up to it's LE billing but exceeds it, it's so gratifying! It's like catching that 12lb bass in the lake that everyone talks about. You've fished that lake every week for 10 years and never caught anything bigger than a 2lb large mouth. But, one weekend you catch her and reel her in! All 12 pounds!

Can you buy a non LE coral (or wine) and be shocked at what it becomes? Sure. But, how many brown acros do you have to buy to wait and see what they turn into? LOTS.

Most retailers hate LE because they can't get their hands on it. It simply doesn't appear on their wholesaler stock list. Most hobbyist seem to hate it because they think it's not worth the price. Others just seem to hate because, well, they're just haters. So, that leaves the minority. The evil 2%

All that being said, I don't spend stupid money on coral. I put stupid money into quality equipment to keep what I do have alive and well. Do I have LE stuff? Sure. But, I didn't pay LE prices! ;)

Be smart and buy smart is how I try to go. (Not always successful) But, I love an open market and seeing the price any given item may fetch.
I can see the similarities you speak of but I would think that a spectacular wine is truly a limited edition and cannot be EASILY replicated, where as any LE coral for the most part can be propagated and deemed common or plentiful in a matter of months. That said when others ,who can afford the " temporarily LE corals" , state that they don't see the logic behind that type of purchase it may be that they view it as being made due to the buyer being ostentatious, impatient or naive. IMO the two cannot be compared for being purchased due to uniqueness.
 
You guys remember beanie babies? Those things were rediculous back in the late 90's. People were paying unreal amounts of money for the "retired" beanie babies. The Ty company decided that they would limit the available number of these things and the crowds went wild!

Limited edition = sales boost. Some People are quick to become obsessed with having or being the most unique individual. Seems like this "LE" market is targeted for the folks with garbage bags full of beanie babies up in their atticts.

Hey Seth, if you ever want to be embarrassed around your wine friends, I'd love to come taste some wine one day. ;)
 
I could couldn't care less if it is LE or not for two reasons.

1. I Just want a tank that makes me (and others) say "Wow, that is gorgeous.)
2. I want to be able to easily say, "You like that? Here let me cut you a piece". After all, 2/3 of the stuff in my tank came to me that way and I want to do the same.

Edit:
Seth The Wine Guy;784741 wrote:

Rather, you could put that wine in a brown paper bag and taste me blind and I would tell you exactly what it is and where it's from. I feel, taste, and breath it. (Try me if you don't believe me!)

{Bagging up a bottle of MD20/20 right now} :roll:
 

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