Live Rock - Reincarnated (Acid Bath)

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I will be giving some live (but really very dead) rock an acid bath today.

The rock originally came from an established system, was transported to a new location, and then left in stagnant water for over a week. I can only imagine how much die-off has occurred.

I've read several posts about giving rock an acid bath. Essentially, the acid eats away the outer most layer of rock. Therefore, it will remove whatever has grown on the rock. I've also read that this will prevent the rock from leaching phosphates. Hopefully, when I'm done, I should have nice and clean white limestone rock (much like the dry base rock you can find).

<u><span style="color: red;">PLEASE READ:</span></u> Muriatic acid is an aqueous solution of hydrogen chloride gas (HCI). It is a highly corrosive acid. It is used commonly as a reactive chemical solution and is a strong acid that is completely solvent in aqueous solution. When it comes into contact with water it forms hydrochloric acid. It's important to wear protective gear when performing this procedure. I will be wearing plastic gloves, eye protection, and a respirator. When the muriatic acid is mixed with water, it releases some nasty fumes. It's best to do this in a very well ventilated area that has a slight breeze. It's best to stand upwind from the water container so that the wind blows away from you. <span style="color: red;">Always pour the muriatic acid into the water. Never add water to acid.</span>

The process:

1) scrub rock with a brush to knock off any lose sediment.
2) Put rock in a tub/bucket and fill with water until the rocks are completely covered by water. It's important to track how much water is added because it will determine how much acid to add.
3) Add acid: Buy muriatic acid from a pool supply store or your local home improvement store. Read the ingredients and determine how much HCI there is. We are shooting for a 3% hydrochloric solution. If I added 10 gallons of water and the muriatic acid contains 30% HCI, then I would need to add 1 gallon of the muriatic acid.
4) The mixed solution will start to bubble and disolve the rock. Once all of the bubbling has ceased, the reaction is over. Many people like to add baking soda to the solution at this point to ensure that the acid has been neutralized.
5) Drain the solution, rinse the rock, and let the rock soak in regular water.
6) Remove the rock and let it dry completely. I plan to let it dry in my garage with a heater on it. I'm thinking this will speed the dry time.

Timing: I'll start the acid bath late this afternoon. It should be done by nightfall. I'll remove, rinse, and soak in normal water overnight. If the drying goes well, I should be able to add the rock to my tank Sunday night or Monday.

Once this process is complete, I should have perfectly good dry rock. The benefits of this process is avoiding a very long curing time and the avoidance of a cycle when the rock is eventually place into the tank.

I will take pictures and document. I did a search the other day and could not find anyone that had done this in the ARC (or atleast recently). If you have any experience/advice, I'm open to comments.
 
Sounds like a neat project, I'm gonna follow along.

I've forgotten my high school chemistry class(been to many years), the nasty fumes you mention-wouldn't that be chlorine gas. Wise idea to recommend to do outside it is heavier then air and will sink to the bottom of a room.
 
Tagging along with you on this, as it may be the solution I'm looking for.

I've got a tank full of live rock that I sun bleached and let dry out when starting my display. I did this due to an invasive red turf type algae that had taken over it. Thinking that I had beat it, it went into my display. Almost a year later its back and spreading.

Let us know what type of tub/ bucket you're using as well. Photos along the way are always great. Thanks for sharing!
 
Looks like you have done your homework. Well done! Here is my $0.02-

Phosphate can be deposited as calcium phosphate on any substrate in an aquarium... rock, gravel, heaters, pumps, plumbing, etc. The acid wash is a good idea (IMHO), especially if the source of the rock is unknown or suspected of coming from anything other than a well maintained 'low nutrient system'. Hydrochloric acid (sometimes called muriatic) is the one to use (never use phosphoric). The acid wash will resolubilize the precipitated calcium phosphate, plus renew the surface of the rock. You will know this after the final rinse, as the rock will 'feel sharp' when picked up with your hands.

The calculation for calculating concentrations is:

C1 x V1 = C2 x V2, where

C1 = concentration of the first solution
V1 = volume of the first solution
C2 = concentration of the second solution (what you want to end up with)
V2 = volume of the second solution ( "........"......), so

0.3 x 'X' gal = 10 gal x 0.03
(I have converted from percent to decimal by dividing 30/100 and 3/100), so

X gal (30% acid needed) = 10 gal (final solution) x 0.03 (final concentration) / 0.3 (original acid concentration), so

X gal = 1 gal (30% acid)
This agrees with your calculation above.

Now, here's where many people mess up. You need 10 gallons total, using 1 gallon of the concentrated acid, so that means adding it to 9 gallons of water (not 10).

9 gal (water) + 1 gal (concentrated acid) = 10 gal (total solution at 3%)

I agree with doing it outdoors. Wear thick rubber gloves to handle the rock after the acid wash. Stand upwind, and have a garden hose at the ready (couple of boxes of baking soda too to neutralize splashed/spilled acid wouldn't hurt. Just don't put it into your eyes). Wash down you or anything else should something go wrong/spill. Wear wrap around goggles if you can, to protect your eyes. I have personally witnessed more than one bad acid spill and resulting burns in my life. You don't want to go through that, trust me on this one.

FWIW- personally, I would do 3 rinses of the rock afterward. First 2 with regular tap water, and a final one with DI water, then let dry. But that's just me.

Good luck, and let us see your results please.
 
Because of my crash Im actually doing this to all 400lbs of my live rock today as well.

I have it all in a 100g rubber maid in a 10% bleach solution right now and will be draining and rinsing it in a few hours and adding the acid solution.
 
I would not advise doing that ^.

The acid will cause a rapid release of chlorine gas from any residual bleach.

FWIW- Chlorine is toxic and highly reactive.

If you are insistent on this, do either-

1) let the rock dry out completely after the bleach is used (before acid bath), or

2) add dechlorinator between bleaching and acid bath. This removes chlorine more safely. Rinse well after dechlorination.
 
yes rock will be well rinsed between treatment.

Bleaching kills anything growing on the rock so when you scrub it afterward everything falls off easily allowing the acid bath to do a better job.

I have a gallon of prime standing by for this.
 
EnderG60;725033 wrote: yes rock will be well rinsed between treatment.

Bleaching kills anything growing on the rock so when you scrub it afterward everything falls off easily allowing the acid bath to do a better job.

I have a gallon of prime standing by for this.

:up:

(Just didn't want any 'accidents'. Good luck!)
 
No worries, Id rather have someone tell me Im a ******* then accidentally gas my self!
 
Process has started. I will post pictures after I have a chance to eat something...

Started with approximately 46.8 pounds, Including buckets. I wanted to document this to have a fair estimate of how much rock was desolved.

I'll say the acid solution really make a bubbly mess if your containers are too full. I used 3 five-gallon buckets with 3 gallons of of water in each. The rock was divided evenly (by eye) between the three buckets. I then poured a third of a gallon into each container.

It looks like the reaction has stopped. Probably took about 30 minutes. I will be neutralizing and draining at around an hour of starting the reaction.

I definitely saw lots of dead looking hitch hikers. Bristle worms were one of them, and I wasn't even looking for them. They should be dead now. I took a couple pictures, maybe someone can id them for me.

Stay tuned.
 
just did this on my spare rock.....not as concentrated, but much longer...I also had it in Kent M for two weeks....
 
Interesting project - thanks for sharing. Would you suggest doing this to dry rock that comes from BRS or Marco Rocks, for example?
 
dme330i;725298 wrote: Interesting project - thanks for sharing. Would you suggest doing this to dry rock that comes from BRS or Marco Rocks, for example?

I would not suggest this procedure for dry/Marco rock. One off the primary benefits is the removal or organic material. Supposedly, the dry/Marco rock is free of organic material. Thus, I'm not sure there would be much benefit. I have seen posts about doing this to dry rock, but I skipped over them. Maybe someone else will chime in....
 
JBDreefs;725310 wrote: Supposedly, the dry/Marco rock is free of organic material. Thus, .

Actually, the stuff is loaded with dead sponges, etc. I got some pukani from BRS and there is a lot of organic material. I was planning to "cook" but this acid wash may save me some time.
 
OK, a few pics...

Before I started, I couldn't help but to notice a few seemingly dead critters. I think the first two were bristle worms. I'm not sure what the third was. It was hard to get a good pic, but it looked almost like a mollusk of some sort.

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Just after adding the acid...probably took 5 minutes to look like this...
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Before pic of two rock sample...
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After pic of the same two rocks...
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Edit: I'm a little concerned about the scum, critter remains, etc that may be left within the rock. I rinsed the rock as best I could, but I'm worried about what couldn't necessarily be blasted off with a hose. Should I be?

I let the rock soak in tap water overnight, and tested the water for ammonia. I thought that it would be possible to detect some, if I didn't wash all the nasty stuff away.

As a precaution, I thought about setting up a curing tank to monitor the water parameters over the next couple of days. Think I'm being too cautious? I'm also considering adding some of the jump starting beneficial bacteria to the rock while it's in the curing tank. Thoughts?
 
Just finished my load of rock as well.

Its soaking in hot tap water right now. Ill blast it all with the pressure washer later this week.

Came out pretty good. I even used some to clean out the sump. Im gonna keep some on hand to de-calcify pumps, and clean out the RO tank.
 
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