might need a bigger pump?

[1mbrews8]

so now I have a reeflo wahoo gold..

I have a 180g DT upstairs. Everything else is located down in the basement below it. (the return and drain pumps go through floor..). it is about 16-18' above the floor where the pump is.

I have a 100g rubbermaid sump, 75g Fuge/DSB, a 60g frag tank (divided into 2 sections). Today, just installed in basement, a 29g tank tying into the current setup.

There is a manifold coming off the pump about 4' off the ground to feed the frag tank, future reactors, and new 29g. Obviously I have valves to adjust the water flow, but sometimes, it doesn't seem to be enough.

I do not have the 1/2" loc line for the new tank yet, so the water just comes out the pipe, but when i have it on a bit, it decreases the upstairs return a lot...

Is there a better pump option? I could keep the current one as a back up. Ideas/thoughts? Remember, i need a "pressure"? rated or the other kind lol! due to the head pressure of being located in basement.. thanks!

Mike

 

[ff337]

What about the waterblaster pumps?

 

[1mbrews8]

which one?

 

[grouper therapy]

FF337;743438 wrote: What about the waterblaster pumps?

sadly there max head height is to little.

 

[1mbrews8]

so am i stuck with having to run the new tank on it's own? will that even be enough turnover?

I have 2 mp40w and 2 k4s in the dt, but that doesnt help water going to the sump/skimmer..

 

[ff337]

I'm not sure which model. The big beast?

Im not sure of the head pressure either. Just wondering if he researched them. I might give one a shot on my 180 build but I don't have a lot of pipe to run either.

 

[realfish]

I have been looking at this lately in the process of doing something similar and have the same concerns with my Reeflo Tarpon. Check out the Panworld pumps.

 

[ff337]

I used a pan world/ coralife turbo sea pump. I liked it. Lots of pressure. Only reason I got rid of it was a space issue. I needed to go in sump.

 

[grouper therapy]

The largest they make the 16000 I believe has a max head of around 22' so it would make the basement to first floor but the flow may be less than desirable. I have been researching them for a closed loop as well

Edit:

FF337;743473 wrote: I used a pan world/ coralife turbo sea pump. I liked it. Lots of pressure. Only reason I got rid of it was a space issue. I needed to go in sump.

Good pumps for sure

 

[1mbrews8]

i think the wahoo that i have now is doing maybe 1200 at the 17ish feet? not taking into consideration the frag tank, new tank, manifold, etc..

 

[crewdawg1981]

Have you looked into a marlin? Would hook up to your existing plumbing with little to no modification and has quite a bit more punch.

 

[1mbrews8]

i like the hammerhead gold too! more $$ but

17' = 3000 gph @ 290w... $460ish

but yeah, the marlin looks a lot more plug and play with in/out pipe size.... but it looks only like 15' = 1928 gph @ 328w. So 17' even less? and more watts??

 

[jbdreefs]

I'm planning for a basement sump in the distant future... it sounds like it is difficult/expensive to find an adequate pump to feed all that you have going on. Why not use two pumps, one for DT and one for the remainder?

 

[grouper therapy]

How much flow do you want through your sump?

 

[1mbrews8]

JBDreefs;743528 wrote: I'm planning for a basement sump in the distant future... it sounds like it is difficult/expensive to find an adequate pump to feed all that you have going on. Why not use two pumps, one for DT and one for the remainder?

it is super nice to have all the equipment easily accessible and out of the way, quiet upstairs, etc...

I though about the 2 pump thing, but if the hammerhead is ~ $450, it would be cheaper than 2 pumps..

also, I would have to redo more plumbing due to the one outlet coming out of sump..

but it is a though. I just want to do the best economical thing )

Edit:

grouper therapy;743532 wrote: How much flow do you want through your sump?

don't really care as much about flow through sump (although i guess it might be too much with the BIG Hammer Gold??) as I want more turnover in the DT..

Which is more important? Currently, I have a sro3000int and a Octopus Extreme 200 in the sump now...

 

[lilrobb]

1mbrews8;743547 wrote: don't really care as much about flow through sump (although i guess it might be too much with the BIG Hammer Gold??) as I want more turnover in the DT..

Which is more important?

Umm, the turnover in your DT is the same as the turnover in your sump...
It's the same water.

 

[1mbrews8]

LilRobb;743560 wrote: Umm, the turnover in your DT is the same as the turnover in your sump...
It's the same water.

Lol! I know that.. Just seems like the water might be more "stagnant" upstairs (staying in tank longer) than the tanks downstairs due to the lower gph up there v/s downstairs..

Since the manifold is "bleeding" off a lot of gph downstairs befor it shoots it to dt? Kinda hard to explain...

 

[grouper therapy]

With adequate flow in the DT by other means(powerheads.Closed loops) .the turnover to the sump and back does not need to be any greater than the skimmers or other reactors can process or at least I can't think of a logical reason.. I do not however cater to the theory of slower flow through the sump equates to more efficient filtration since the skimmer only process x amount of water per hour regardless of the flow. Flow through the sump should be =/+ than the amount of flow through the skimmer/s IME

 

[1mbrews8]

grouper therapy;743569 wrote: With adequate flow in the DT by other means(powerheads.Closed loops) .the turnover to the sump and back does not need to be any greater than the skimmers or other reactors can process or at least I can't think of a logical reason.. I do not however cater to the theory of slower flow through the sump equates to more efficient filtration since the skimmer only process x amount of water per hour regardless of the flow. Flow through the sump should be =/+ than the amount of flow through the skimmer/s IME

I see what your saying.. I have prob enough "flow" from ph

It just seems like there is not enough water going down the dt drain vs the frag or 29g drains in basement..

 

[grouper therapy]

1mbrews8;743571 wrote: I see what your saying.. I have prob enough "flow" from ph

It just seems like there is not enough water going down the dt drain vs the frag or 29g drains in basement..

I understand but if it is enough? Maybe throttle the water to the frag or 29g drains in basement and add a powerhead to them?

Edit: Or have the overflow from the DT supply the them before going to the sump.. I am sure it might require additional plumbing but still cheaper than a bigger pump and operating cost. . It's all the same water.