Pest ID ?

[tbub1221]

This is killing my monti what is it and how best to dispose

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[cbj25]

Hydroids?


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[jennm]

Doesn't look like any hydroid I've ever seen (but it could be).

It almost looks like Tubipora sp. skeleton (Pipe Organ Coral).

Jenn

 

[tbub1221]

No one has a clue ?
It has walked about 1.25" along the bottom edge of this 3.5" disc stinging it.
It's no majano , Hydroid or aiptasia that I have seen .

The white spot on the top are a previous injury from my bta hat is unrelated .
The coral is still showing decent pe (not in the picture) but only further from the effected area.

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[dball711]

Kind of looks like a monti eating Nudi in the last pic. is it soft and fleshy, either way i would remove it.

 

[declanisadog]

dball711;932236 wrote: Kind of looks like a monti eating Nudi in the last pic. is it soft and fleshy, either way i would remove it.

Agreed. Here's a pic of one

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[tbub1221]

I believe it to be a hydrozoa Hydroid , which is a new one to me.
I'm making that guess because the tentacles have multiple balls on them at the tip and along the tentacle.
I'm going to inject it with some lemon juice or kalk in a container and see how it likes the acid.
Whatever it is this monti isn't happy these pics are from yesterday , last night it moved around some more stinging a path in its wake.

Edit: The 3rd pic is deceivingly blurry because I was shooting through 24" of water but looking at the close up shots do you think this is it ?

>http://www.masa.asn.au/masawiki/index.php/File:Hydroid.jpg</a>

 

[dball711]

Tbub1221;932247 wrote: I believe it to be a hydrozoa Hydroid , which is a new one to me.
I'm making that guess because the tentacles have multiple balls on them at the tip and along the tentacle.
I'm going to inject it with some lemon juice or kalk in a container and see how it likes the acid.
Whatever it is this monti isn't happy these pics are from yesterday , last night it moved around some more stinging a path in its wake.

Edit: The 3rd pic is deceivingly blurry because I was shooting through 24" of water but looking at the close up shots do you think this is it ?

>http://www.masa.asn.au/masawiki/index.php/File:Hydroid.jpg</a>

I dissagree, pretty sure its a nudi, I would not inject it iwould remove it and then start a search for eggs.
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[tbub1221]

It was probably a nudi , my eye sight is not what it was so I trust the majority.
I removed it along with about 12-14 tiny white balls under and around it .
I had to suck the balls off with the syringe I assume they were eggs or faeces either way it appears clean now

I cleaned it best I could , but should I follow with coral RX or just put it back on its perch ?

 

[raz0945]

Terry try dipping it and see if it comes off, then you will know if you need to start hunting for eggs.:yes:

 

[tbub1221]

I don't know how long it was on the monti but since yesterday evening it damaged close to another 1/4" area along the bottom rim before I'd removed it.
If I were to end up with more nudi's in the near future can I quarantine all my montipora and monitor / treat and manually remove and let them starve out in the display ?
Or what would be the best approach.

 

[raz0945]

Terry that is what I would do. Take them out every 3-4 days and check them for newly hatched nudies and eggs. Having a wrasse is always good. I would keep them quarantined for 3 months just to be sure, after you think they are all gone.

 

[tbub1221]

Raz0945;932333 wrote: Terry that is what I would do. Take them out every 3-4 days and check them for newly hatched nudies and eggs. Having a wrasse is always good. I would keep them quarantined for 3 months just to be sure, after you think they are all gone.

Thankyou Holley , I only have 3 different pieces of monti so I have decide it best to remove the colonies and check/dip them all. Before qt.
How long can eggs or larva stay dormate ? I'v had all these 5-9 months .
I felt a little let down by my wrasse he is typically on the ball but doesn't appear to have a taste for these.

 

[indecloudzua]

I've read where dipping it in a solution of potassium permangenate kills adults and eggs

 

[jdavid]

I don't think it's a nudibranch.

Edit: On second thought, the feeding pattern is consistent with some other google images, and some pictures do show the ball/club like appendages. Maybe those are the adults and the one pictured earlier in this thread is a juvenile.

Edit: Do you have any high end montipora? If it's all capricornis, I'd just remove it. Take away the food source, let the newly hatched nudis starve. And then get some more monti cap later. It's dirt cheap or free for the standard red purple green capricornis. If you have some nicer monti then I would try to treat them.

 

[jennm]

I didn't realize it was motile... yeah I'd say then, based on the subsequent picture on the Monti, that it's a Montipora-eating nudibranch. Kill it with fire, and make sure he doesn't have any friends.

Jenn

 

[tbub1221]

JDavid;932409 wrote:
Edit: Do you have any high end montipora? .

Is there such a thing...? I thought it was a weed coral. J/k
I have no cap. Just the orange Montipora nodosa pictured a piece of Jedi mind trick thats covered most its 2" tile , and a German blue polyp digitata so if I lost it all at most I'd be out 150-200$ at most (probably less if I get the cousin price from other members )
But I'd prefer them to live all the same because iv watched them grow and I'm proud of there progress .

I dipped the 3 pieces and did get more nudi's but all small the size of ant's the big one from the pics must ov been momma . There were none on the mind trick but a few from the digi and it looks pitiful on the bottom I couldn't see any of this going on because of size and placement but its been going on a wile obviously.
Im really bummed I didn't catch this sooner the digi quit showing its regular pe more than 2 weeks ago , it didn't look bad just not its best I checked and checked and recheced everything looking for a reason but I never removed the coral to look underneath it :mad2:
There so tiny and impossible to see on white coral skeleton and the digi and the nodosa are heavily encrusted down there bases and under the lip and all of which was a nursery for those things and bare bone now ffs :censored:

 

[jdavid]

I think it would be a pretty easy call for me to toss the montipora and call it a day. Seems to be pretty hard to beat it.

Edit: at least you have nothing to lose by trying to save it (except a lot of time and a little coral dip)

 

[tbub1221]

JDavid;932495 wrote: I think it would be a pretty easy call for me to toss the montipora and call it a day. Seems to be pretty hard to beat it.

Edit: at least you have nothing to lose by trying to save it (except a lot of time and a little coral dip)

I would not feel to good about tossing them at all. There $value has very little to do with anything I buy what I like regardless of the value that others see in it. I have never invested in a reef pet with intentions to profit from it therefor what It's worth in monetary value is in the eye of the beholder.
I have watched them grow too long to toss in the towel , there not 1" frags . Perhaps if it was something dangerous to other coral I keep , but if I can keep them off the monti's through quarantine , dip and regular inspection they wont hurt anything else and I don't have any more monti's on my list to get at the moment so like you said nothing to loos at this point except them .
I don't think its much a waste of time in the least. Coral dip takes 5 mins to administer I can find 10 mins a week for a few dips.
With this hobby all I have is time.
I'm glad it wasn't worse and beating this will just be another notch on the belt and lesson learned.

 

[jdavid]

I hear ya. I'm not about to go tossing out my clams to beat pyramid snails, either.