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this stuff is great my fish go nuts over it even my mandiran eats it he wont eat any other prepaired foods thanks cam for asking sam to order this stuff and sam for supplying it
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is it frozen mysis?
Not only that but it's much cleaner and dense. In a typical hikari pack if you melt it and drain the water you lose at least 25% volume. These guys are full mysis that stay full and therfore go into your fish rather then the water column as dissolved nutrients!
That is why the measurements of protein are the way they are. Hikari freezes them in salt water and that "bloats" the weight of the package and lowers overall protein content by gram because their is so much water. PE flash freezes their mysis which keeps the water content very low thus most of the package is shrimp and the protein by gram goes way up. Freshwater mysis probably don't have much more protein than saltwater mysis if you weighed and measured before processing, but because of the way PE packages each pack contains more protein per gram even though the mysis likely aren't that much more nutritious. I believe this is mainly due to the fact they aren't using salt water. I would guess salt water probably creates problems with flash freezing.
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where can p/u some of this stuff up.
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can i p/u locally.
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What difference does dry weight make when you buy the stuff wet?
16OZ of frozen Hikari saltwater Mysis cost around $8.50 and is 10.5% protien. $5.06 per oz of protien.
16OZ of frozen PE freshwater mysis costs around $22.00 and is 69.5% protien. $1.98 per oz of protien.
Am I missing something here?
16OZ of frozen Hikari saltwater Mysis cost around $8.50 and is 10.5% protien. $5.06 per oz of protien.
16OZ of frozen PE freshwater mysis costs around $22.00 and is 69.5% protien. $1.98 per oz of protien.
Am I missing something here?
Yes, you are. Total protein content on Hikari is (.105 * 16)oz on the other hand total protein content on PE is not (.69 *16)oz, hard to say how much though cause they don't list the moisture content on the package. BTW if you want High protein diet, there are lot others that will fair better, but the thing with PE is fish seem to readily eat it... which is always a + with saltwater fish keeping.
What about the fat ratios since the Mysis is a freshwater critter?
I remember reading that goldfish were popular for lionfish but not so good for them because they ended up giving the lions "fatty liver disease".
Also, there is something about the DHA ratios versus Omega 3's etc -- the fats that would be gotten from the marine foodchain up from the phyto.
The mysis may be different because they are crustaceans, but I figured I would ask, because it sounds like a really great product and convenient, if a bit expensive (but then so is everything else in this hobby).
Clever marketing. I was reading the protein per gram like a food label. A bit of digging finds about 5% less water per package, a slightly higher protein per gram content (10% compared to 11%) and another 2-3% more fat. There is also no salt weighing down the water, but not sure in such small portions that adds up to a sizeable number.
If those numbers (which are foggy at best) hold true, at best PE Mysis is no more than 10% as good as Hikari or the like so it isn't a very good deal actually.
I have contacted PE to see if I can get the amount of water per package or the real numbers per gram.
If those numbers (which are foggy at best) hold true, at best PE Mysis is no more than 10% as good as Hikari or the like so it isn't a very good deal actually.
I have contacted PE to see if I can get the amount of water per package or the real numbers per gram.
It is still a very good food otherwise their prices wouldn't have sky rocketed. Couple of years ago I could get an 8oz packet for 6bucks. I tried it for my Discus once but never went back for some reason. Just don't use it exclusively. I do think it is packed in tight, so you are probably getting more for the same 8oz pack than other brands.
