Plumbing question.

[navyreefer]

OK so I don't have a basement so I can't put a sump room under the tank.

I was thinking I could put everything in a large walkin closet in one of the spare bedrooms and plumb everything under the house and back up into the closet. It would be about 10ft from the tank and would require going down then back up to the sump.

So is it possible to do that? A pump off the drain maybe?

 

[blind1993]

sal has something kinda like that.

he has his tank plumbed into another room atleast 5 feet away, but his plumning does not go underground from what i can tell.

 

[roundman]

I think your biggest is issue will be tryong to balance out using 2 pumps since you will not be able use gravity from the tank. I think it can be done but you will have to put a valve on the return side of the return pump. Hope this make sence it dows in my little mind.

 

[blind1993]

what about using one pump but like this

make the sump air tight. then as the pump pushes water in the sump it will go out and back into the tank.


pros: can be easily done

cons: need powerful pump
can only be used to add extra volume

 

[navyreefer]

To be clear its not going "underground" I have what should have been a basement that has like 9ft ceilings its just rough concrete and pillars, no access from the inside and no climate control.

I see what you are saying about controlling the 2 pumps but I think its possible. I want a large Fuge and a larger RO water container for the ATO but there is no chance the wife will allow that in the living room so I have to think of something!

 

[jefft]

blind1993;101656 wrote: what about using one pump but like this

make the sump air tight. then as the pump pushes water in the sump it will go out and back into the tank.

pros: can be easily done

Have you seen this done? Have you considered the pressure required to move the water through the system and what you would need to do to keep the tank from leaking or eventually splitting?

 

[cdub]

this will not work with an overflow. i could see it maybe happening with a constant siphon, but that also seems very unlikely.

lol on the airtight sump...

i have my tank plumbed from the living room, through the washer/dryer room, and out into the garage, but the key is that i have a total of 8'' of negative "rise" over that length of run which allows the water to flow into the sump.

 

[cdub]

i just thought of a way that might be possible. if you had a surge tank that your tank overflowed into, then you had a level switch on your sump so that this surge tank dumped the water into your sump when it dropped to the predetermined level. this would help with the balancing of the two pumps, but it would be a disaster if one pump or the level switch failed.

 

[navyreefer]

cdub;101674 wrote: this will not work with an overflow. i could see it maybe happening with a constant siphon, but that also seems very unlikely.

lol on the airtight sump...

i have my tank plumbed from the living room, through the washer/dryer room, and out into the garage, but the key is that i have a total of 8'' of negative "rise" over that length of run which allows the water to flow into the sump.

So how did you hide your plumbing?

 

[gwhiz]

roundman;101653 wrote: I think your biggest is issue will be tryong to balance out using 2 pumps since you will not be able use gravity from the tank. I think it can be done but you will have to put a valve on the return side of the return pump. Hope this make sence it dows in my little mind.

I'm not an expert, but I don't understand the two pump comment. As long as the sump is lower than the display, it'll still siphon, even if it has to go lower than the sump during the process. Gravity is still going to try and level the water at each end and will push it into the sump as long as the entrance to the sump is lower than the display tank.

 

[navyreefer]

Geehh, you are 100% right I am trying to over complicate things as usual!!! Thanks!

 

[cdub]

my plumbing goes through a wall into the washer/dryer area, behind the dryer, and out a wall into the garage. no hiding, unless you count the fact that i don't have a 50 gallon sump sitting in my living room anymore, lol.

 

[cameron]

Geehh is correct assuming your main tank is using an overflow system either gravity or syphon fed. You can connect two tanks together without an overflow, but you want to make sure your sumps water level is level with your main display tank. However an overflow is much prefered as it does a great job of preventing water spillage from an unplanned overflow.