Boxes or Buckets

AndyMan;381479 wrote: Think about it this way.......

<span style="color: #0000ff"> <span style="font-size: 14px">(pi)</span>r2h will never be <span style="font-size: 14px">(2</span>r<span style="font-size: 14px">)</span>2h</span>

I suggest respectfully that you lookup your volume calculators and re-evaluate (let alone that your average "bucket" isn't actually a true cylinder, it's actually a cone) and that throws the calculation ever further off the mark

ignoring the shipping scenario. because you are right, shipping a box is easier than a bucket, but mathematically 200g worth of salt takes up the same amount of "space" no matter what shape it is in. It's just a pain to ship a bucket because it's harder to stack on top of or around.
 
AndyMan;381485 wrote: I must be missing something

to ship 2000 Cubic inches of "something" in a cylinder takes a 14" diameter cylinder 13" high (14" square x 13" high)

and to ship the same volume in a 'box' is a 14" square box thats only 10" high

WHERE DID THE EXTRA 3" (ALMOST 20% difference on height go) ????

it came off the corners. its a circle...again, to ship you'd just be looking at the width and height, and you're right, but its like the corners were cut off and stacked on top. You're just looking at it logistically which isn't wrong. It's the same cubic inches no mater what which is kind of what defines "space". so 2 cubic inches = 2 cubic inches...
 
AndyMan;381495 wrote: DISAGREE, see my previous posts for details, I'm a small water changer... and bags "specifically made for smaller water changes" could make it easier to sell larger quantities to the likes of me, especially if I don't have to "measure" the salt because I'm only making 5, 10 or 15 gallons at a time

Wouldn't that create more plastic, more toxic printing dyes, and more manufacturing waste creating a larger carbon footprint for all those smaller bags? Man, that sounds terrible for the environment. :goodjob:
 
i really hope seachem will have buckets and boxes as 50gal bags are nice to have

i use the bags and as long as you close them (fold over or zip tie or clip you get the idea) they don't clomp up i leave open bags next to my mixing can and they still don't clump its not that bad unless you let water in the bag also as soon as it is in the mixing bucket(55gal can) it brakes up so who cares if it clumps
 
DannyBradley;381525 wrote: Wouldn't that create more plastic, more toxic printing dyes, and more manufacturing waste creating a larger carbon footprint for all those smaller bags? Man, that sounds terrible for the environment. :goodjob:

and those bags would not be re-usable like the buckets.
 
Delloman;381532 wrote: i really hope seachem will have buckets and boxes as 50gal bags are nice to have

i use the bags and as long as you close them (fold over or zip tie or clip you get the idea) they don't clomp up i leave open bags next to my mixing can and they still don't clump its not that bad unless you let water in the bag also as soon as it is in the mixing bucket(55gal can) it brakes up so who cares if it clumps


It's much more difficult to measure, and it gets fairly messy. I used to buy cheap stuff that was in a bag in a box, and by the second water change I had to brake off chunks and hope it was close to the right amount.
 
I say just manufacture less buchets but make them available to those who need them. Then again, you can always go to Home Depot and get a bucket and lid for $6. I have 8 extra buckets that had salt in them and agree that after a while, you really don't need anymore. If we did a group buy on the boxes, do you realize how many more units can be shipped on a pallet using the boxes compared to the buckets? Probably about 15% more.
 
Seachem;379627 wrote: Some hobbyists have expressed interest in purchasing salt in large boxes (200+ gallons worth of salt mix, but split up into smaller bags) vs. buckets.

The OP's concept is the 200G Box would have multiple bags in the box. Since they already make 50 gallon bags, it seems logical that they would put 4 of these into a box.

I love this idea since I usually perform 100-150 gallon water changes and I can keep a portion of the salt factory sealed avoiding moisture contamination.

I have always bought salt in buckets, I never really considered boxes until now...
 
Delloman;381540 wrote: lol with the 50gal bags i dont have to measure and i just dont buy cheap salt :D

agreed. I learned that lesson quick. But I did 5 gallon changes, so I did have to measure, and that 50g bag would last 10 weeks almost in my house.
 
For Instant Ocean and Reef Crystals, three level cups should give 5 gallons of water a specific gravity of 1.026. Whether is is Seachem or IO/RC, it is easy to find and measure the volume needed for your desired SG one time, then just measure that amount from then on. A plastic measuring cup will last you forever.

Resealable, airtight containers can be purchased from The Container Store once and used to keep your boxed/bagged salt in. So I don't see the need for constantly buying buckets of salt when you can do the above and buy boxed salt and get a better deal and help the environment?
 
Delloman;381532 wrote: i really hope seachem will have buckets and boxes as 50gal bags are nice to have

i use the bags and as long as you close them (fold over or zip tie or clip you get the idea) they don't clomp up i leave open bags next to my mixing can and they still don't clump its not that bad unless you let water in the bag also as soon as it is in the mixing bucket(55gal can) it brakes up so who cares if it clumps


why not just open a bag and pour it into any buckets you've got laying around? (like the windex refills that don't go to the cost to have a pump with them)
 
dont forget about the space required by a company to store the empty boxes vs. buckets prior to production. working in a manufuacturing plant i can say a pallet of 300 flat unfolded boxes takes up a lot less space than 300 empty buckets.

i think if boxes were readily available and cheaper most people would buy a bucket or two then buy boxes and fill their buckets back up.
 
cdub;381607 wrote: dont forget about the space required by a company to store the empty boxes vs. buckets prior to production. working in a manufuacturing plant i can say a pallet of 300 flat unfolded boxes takes up a lot less space than 300 empty buckets.

i think if boxes were readily available and cheaper most people would buy a bucket or two then buy boxes and fill their buckets back up.
agreed!!

I think that if we didn't have the option anymore, people would gripe about it.. but if we never had the option in the first place.. people wouldn't say anything at all...

all that being said.. I was reading back over the "what salt do you use" poll from a while back... it certainly seems that people buy salt for it's inherent qualities, not the packaging..

the important thing is that SEACHEM should know that it's probably not going to lose customers over the long term because it changes the packaging, like it would if it changed the mixture...
 
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