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[Jaycen B.]

AKA palytoxin.

Does anybody know how or who can test aquarium water for this substance?

I believe I may be highly sensitive to this toxin. I can no longer do water changes without wearing gloves, or I get very ill. I am not 100% sure this is the culprit, but in all my research everything falls right in line. I do not frag any zoas or palys but I do have two large, one very large, colonies of zoas and a few palys. I just want to have the water tested.

Thoughts?
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[rdnelson]

I think to be safe, we should just move your set up and livestock over to my place and I will do your water changes for you.

Seriously though, hope you find the cause.

 

[falos]

Sum people can't handle or own zoas due to reactions from the toxins I have bad head ache after handeling them if there in the tank then ther toxins are there also
You will have to send off a water sample to be tested make shure they now to look for toxins

Are there eny poisonous fish in the tank rabitfish can sum times mess with the owners they release a lot wen they shed
If you won't to keep zoas and have issues with them use long gloves wen working on the tank and run a lot of good carbon

 

[ripped tide]

How long ago did you notice this happening?

 

[Jaycen B.]

Ripped Tide;782326 wrote: How long ago did you notice this happening?

5/2/12

Just kinda put it all together the past couple of days.

And no poisonous fish.

Edit: Got good carbon too.

Edit: I may have formed an allergy to it; I have had this tank up for 2.5 years with no issues prior.

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[ripped tide]

What kind of symptoms do you get?

 

[Jaycen B.]

Symptoms
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<li>Angina-like chest pains;</li>
<li>asthma-like breathing difficulties;</li>
<li>tachycardia (racing pulse);</li>
<li>unstable blood pressure with episodes of low blood pressure;</li>
<li>hemolysis;</li>
<li>electrocardiograms show and exagerrated T wave.</li>
</ul>http://www.cbwinfo.com/Biological/Toxins/Palytoxin.html">http://www.cbwinfo.com/Biological/Toxins/Palytoxin.html</a>




sorry for the copy and paste, but I had it up. LOL

Yep pretty much ALL that.....

 

[dawgface]

I believe like allergies toxin reaction can become for prominent with each exposure. To play it safe I would remove the zoas.

Edit: Goes without saying, get someone else to remove them for you.

 

[ripped tide]

Jaycen, had you posted this yesterday, I would have Been in acworth and could have gotten them out for you. I'll be back in two weeks, if you don't find someone to help before then.

Edit: I get those reactions when I grab a wad of bristle worms. Bristle worms get me sick, but Zoas don't bother me. I've handled them with open cuts(accidentally) and had no adverse effects. Everyone responds defferently to different chemicals

 

[Jaycen B.]

Guys, I agree 100%.

But I would like to have it tested so I know for sure. Until then I will use some gloves and proper safety gear and see how it goes.

If they have to come out it will be a good time to start over!

 

[falos]

Eny swelling in the face bridge of the eyes lower jaw during these times how about an increase in salivia runey nose? You posted most of the symptoms of a systemic reaction if you have the rest I wouldn't put my hand in the tank period reactions of that calaber can prove fatal in just moments and wouldn't be worth the risk
Find you a allergy doc and ask if they can test for water soliuble toxins that can be absorbed through the skin make shure your he knows about the reef tank and inhabitants they may be able to shed more light on what could be causing the reactions

 

[Jaycen B.]

Thanks falos, I will look around and see if I can find someone to test it for me. I have not had any swelling. The reactions that have concerned me the most is chest pain, asthma-like breathing difficulties, dizziness, head ach, and weakness.
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[jennm]

That does sound serious. I wouldn't take any chances.

This happened to my friend: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/blog/palythoa-toxica-poisoning-one-reefkeepers-personal-experience-with-palytoxin-poisoning">http://www.advancedaquarist.com/blog/palythoa-toxica-poisoning-one-reefkeepers-personal-experience-with-palytoxin-poisoning</a>

Granted, she had a small wound, and she surmises that the toxin got into her that way, while she was actively removing polyps, so she came in direct contact with a stressed colony. However, the symptoms sound quite similar to yours.

Jenn

 

[jdabs]

Jaycen, that's crazy that you're having a reaction like this! You didn't have any problems with it before right? Are those corals fairly new to the tank? You know I'm close by so let me know if you need help with anything!

 

[Jaycen B.]

Jenn, that's scary story, especially the part about it can build up in your system over time.

Thanks John, no new zoas, but the one colony is somewhere around 500-600 polyps. The other I would say about 200-300. Feel free to count them if you want lol.

Anybody want some zoas!
A couple of pics.

Not saying these are the problem, just showing it would be a pia to deal with at this point,
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[rdnelson]

Seen these in person and they are a couple of really nice colonies.

 

[Jaycen B.]

Wow Rich your fast.
And I got some arm length gloves.

 

[islandreef]

How much you want for them.

 

[dawgface]

Glad your getting rid of them.... It just isn't worth the risk!

 

[Jaycen B.]

Jesse, I agree they need to go, and you are absolutely right it is not worth the risk. I think with some help I will be able to get them out, but it will be quite the chore. I will have to set up a temporary holding tank to move some coral and rock so I/we can have better access to them. I am sure in the process there will be plenty of frags. We'll see how it goes, and maybe I can pass out some free frags.