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hey guys im getting a clam from ryan at reefworks and i just want to make sure i know what i need to about how to properly take care of it when it gets here im going to drip it for about an hour, would that be long enough or do you think longer? and im going to put it on a shell so it has something to attach its basal threads to so i can move it if need be. and ive heard they like to be fed phyto. does it have to be live like dt's or can it be phyto gold or phytofeast or something like that? and i know they need calcium but im already dosing for sps so that shouldnt be a problem. and i know they like strong light i have a radion over a 20 long so that shouldnt be an issue, is there anything else that i should know or is any of the info i have wrong. thanks in advance
-Brijesh

Edit: oh and just fyi its a maxima
 
its a small one he has a pic of it next to another one thats 5 inchs and it looks to be much smaller so im thinking about 1-1.5 inchs heres the pic its the bright one on the bottom right
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What kind of clam?
Some like rock placement up high (crocea) some like sand (maxima) some are in-between.

2 things that are CRUCIAL to clams are lighting and calcium. Looks like you have both covered!
 
yea from what ive read the maximas are rock boring clams, which is why im putting the shell under it, and the croceas like sand
 
Yup, This Maxima will do best on a flat, protected portion of a rock where it can attach it's foot. You can also slide a flat piece of rock underneath it in the sand and it will usually attach and stay upright. When they are small like this, it's usually best to put them in a protected part of the lower to mid rockwork, as they get knocked over quite easily on the sandbed.

Also, when they are this small, they greatly benefit from feeding of small particulate food, this isn't of concern once the clam is over a few inches in size.

-Ryan
 
thanks for the info ryan unfortunately most of my rockwork is taken up by coral ill see if i can place some rocks around it and the shell im putting it on to prop it up in the sand and keep it from getting knocked over
 
Actually, its a fallacy that clams of any size "need" to be fed. They can obtain more than enough energy for normal growth from the photosynthesis that occurs in their mantle. However, clams can, and do, filter feed. But spot feeding isnt necessary, and likely its feasible.
 
jmaneyapanda;793966 wrote: Actually, its a fallacy that clams of any size "need" to be fed. They can obtain more than enough energy for normal growth from the photosynthesis that occurs in their mantle. However, clams can, and do, filter feed. But spot feeding isnt necessary, and likely its feasible.


a common miss conception in this hobby is that our photosynthetic inverts only need light to meet there daily caloric intake. the ocean is a uhn ltds system and food is abundant more so then we could ever hope of archiving in our systems all inverts sps lap nps clams you name it require food that is not obtained by the sugar they produce.
 
falos;794118 wrote: a common miss conception in this hobby is that our photosynthetic inverts only need light to meet there daily caloric intake. the ocean is a uhn ltds system and food is abundant more so then we could ever hope of archiving in our systems all inverts sps lap nps clams you name it require food that is not obtained by the sugar they produce.

I would be glad to provide you with the scientific research paper showing that clams of all sizes produce more than enough energy from photosynthesis of the mantle, if you'd like.

Are you suggesting that all aquariums with inverts need feeding? What foods? How often? Please elucidate.
 
<p style="text-align:left">lets look at the anatomy of the giant clam
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water is pulled in through the inlet siphon passed over the gills all foods that are in the size range for the clam are removed and digested then the byproduct is released by the anus. granted the mantle harbors Zooxanthellae it will not meat the clams daily caloric needs, only about 70-90% in adults with over 10g of soft tissue. Small clams like the op is purchasing are around 1-3g in soft tissue weight and will not have the mantle size to collect even 40% of its daily needs by light alone, and a carbon source will be needed for the best health and growth .

In nature giant clams are sum times found in the waters break with full expansion of the mantle, even still it dusnot meat there daily needs . As i stated before food is in readily avaliable for filter feeders in the wild as zooplankton, bacterioplankton and phytoplankton are in abundance

In our reef tanks we lack the prolific production of these organisms well 90% of us, sum have the volume to support high levels of plankton but is rare.

now on to corals well start with sps ( small polyp stony corals )
this is another organism that is widely thought to achieve all its daily needs from light alone.
lets look at the polyp on a acropora

[IMG]http://www.google.com/imgres?q=acropora+polyp+diagram&start=179&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=945&bih=511&tbm=isch&tbnid=lGQxgNyQw9e7oM:&imgrefurl=http://www.gibell.com/stony-corals/scientific-nomenclature.html&imgurl=http://www.gibell.com/stony-corals/images/4287_12_37-montastrea-cavernosa-skeleton.jpg&w=1516&h=1316&ei=Tg1FUPytDYG29QSbs4GoCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=298&vpy=173&dur=1657&hovh=209&hovw=241&tx=101&ty=204&sig=104582612254076755280&page=16&tbnh=143&tbnw=165&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:179,i:315">http://www.google.com/imgres?q=acropora+polyp+diagram&start=179&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=945&bih=511&tbm=isch&tbnid=lGQxgNyQw9e7oM:&imgrefurl=http://www.gibell.com/stony-corals/scientific-nomenclature.html&imgurl=http://www.gibell.com/stony-corals/images/4287_12_37-montastrea-cavernosa-skeleton.jpg&w=1516&h=1316&ei=Tg1FUPytDYG29QSbs4GoCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=298&vpy=173&dur=1657&hovh=209&hovw=241&tx=101&ty=204&sig=104582612254076755280&page=16&tbnh=143&tbnw=165&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:179,i:315</a>

Here we have a organism with a mouth and stomach if it didnt need a source of carbon to meat its daily needs it would of evolved with out a mouth or stomach.
I will share a secret with you on why ulns ( ultra low nutrient systems) have such radical polyp extension. SPS feed on bacterioplankton a by product of the zeolite media so the coral has more energy to expand its polyp, and relies less on the Zooxanthellae it harbors.
Keep in mind Zooxanthellae is a brown pigmented algae wen the corals and clams rely more on light because there food source is low they have darker colors as they increase there Zooxanthellae concentrations to try to make more sugar to support the organisms metabolic needs.
There is nothing on this planet that i know of that is 100% photosynthetic
 
Lol. I guess that's a no comment. I'll reference it when I get back to my computer.

FYI- I never said clam don't filter feed. In fact, I said they can and do. As do SPS and other corals. However, I think we add enough inadvertent items for these to survive with no issue. In the form of substrate debris disturbance and addition of micro food items and debris from fish food. I still maintain my position that these organisms do not require supplemental feeding for the most part. Adding such food or attempting to spot feed is unnecessary and counterproductive in my opinion.

And I still maintain that clams do not NEED supplemental feelings at all. And will provide the study which shows exactly this when I get to my computer.
 
Again, what exactly do you recommend feeding? And how often? And coral waters are UHN and ULTDS? What does this mean and what are you implying?

Again, I'm not trying to be combatative. I'm trying to learn and understand your side of the "coin". Thisis the first time I've heard someone argue that are aquariums are far cleaner than the ocean reef waters.
 
<p style="text-align:left">sorry about the late post i sued my phone as a target wen i ran out of clays so i had to wait for it to cool down out side to fire up the pc it has 2 1kw power supply&#8217;s and produces tons of heat

i was not implying that our tanks are cleaner then the ocean they are not by a far shot

just that the sessile invertebrates do require more then light for the best health and growth.

uhns is ultra high nutrient rich now before you go off thanking im talking about the bad stuffdead organics like we have in our tanks. i am referring to the large amount of zooplankton or marine snow that is present. if there were not high levels nps corals would not survive and would of become extinct.

As far as feeding i didnt wont to post that as my filtration system is for a tank 10x the size of the dt and runs entirely different then any other i have come across and feeding the amounts i do can and will crash other systems that could not handle the removal of the dead organics but i will post it for you
all feedings are with all but one pump off

-mon,wend,fri feed sps with a mix of nano7&9 along with sum plankton i have ben culturing hope to be able to ditch the nano in a month or two as long as cultures keep growing
tues,thurs,sat feed lps mix of oyster eggs copapods and minced fish or clams shrimp crab 1 time
a week with menaced fish
daily i feed my nps and clams a mix of nano7&9 oyster eggs pods
fish are fed 6 times a day pods spectrum pellets small and large along with rods and black worms and the nori never runs out

if your running ulns you will have a high production of Bacterioplankton for them to be happy as long as they are over 10grams in soft tissue weight or 3&#8220; in length
if not weekly feedings of any Zooplankton product would help in the health and growth

i have probably red the same articals that you have about clams and light but these creatures have a lot of organs to digest food and have red meany more that state that light alone is not the healthiest way to care for our pets

but if you dont thank they need it i cant change your mind but part of the fun in this hobbie is trying stuff out so why dont you git 2 small tanks with 2 small clams use the same light and filtration for both feed one tank and not the other see wich one has the best growth and color and let me know your findings after all you own a reef store and it would be a cool display to have.
if not to prove me wrong do it to help educate new reefers and old the like on feeding and clams and corals
 
what about bristle worms will they hurt clams? ive read around and found varied opinions
 
falos;794289 wrote: <p style="text-align:left">sorry about the late post i sued my phone as a target wen i ran out of clays so i had to wait for it to cool down out side to fire up the pc it has 2 1kw power supply’s and produces tons of heat

i was not implying that our tanks are cleaner then the ocean they are not by a far shot

just that the sessile invertebrates do require more then light for the best health and growth.

uhns is ultra high nutrient rich now before you go off thanking im talking about the bad stuffdead organics like we have in our tanks. i am referring to the large amount of zooplankton or marine snow that is present. if there were not high levels nps corals would not survive and would of become extinct.

As far as feeding i didnt wont to post that as my filtration system is for a tank 10x the size of the dt and runs entirely different then any other i have come across and feeding the amounts i do can and will crash other systems that could not handle the removal of the dead organics but i will post it for you
all feedings are with all but one pump off

-mon,wend,fri feed sps with a mix of nano7&9 along with sum plankton i have ben culturing hope to be able to ditch the nano in a month or two as long as cultures keep growing
tues,thurs,sat feed lps mix of oyster eggs copapods and minced fish or clams shrimp crab 1 time
a week with menaced fish
daily i feed my nps and clams a mix of nano7&9 oyster eggs pods
fish are fed 6 times a day pods spectrum pellets small and large along with rods and black worms and the nori never runs out

if your running ulns you will have a high production of Bacterioplankton for them to be happy as long as they are over 10grams in soft tissue weight or 3“ in length
if not weekly feedings of any Zooplankton product would help in the health and growth

i have probably red the same articals that you have about clams and light but these creatures have a lot of organs to digest food and have red meany more that state that light alone is not the healthiest way to care for our pets

but if you dont thank they need it i cant change your mind but part of the fun in this hobbie is trying stuff out so why dont you git 2 small tanks with 2 small clams use the same light and filtration for both feed one tank and not the other see wich one has the best growth and color and let me know your findings after all you own a reef store and it would be a cool display to have.
if not to prove me wrong do it to help educate new reefers and old the like on feeding and clams and corals

Well put!!!!
But holy sh--,you feed a lot . I would love to see that set up one day
 
<p style="text-align:left">its not ready yet for prime time and its not a large tank compared to sum people in the club yet. but i didnt wont to buy equipment a another time for my future tank
most of my fish eat from my hand so there is little un eaten food in the tank and i cleen up after the corals also call me weird but i like the maintenance part of the hobby
 
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