Cone Bottom Detritus Settling Tank Thread

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I couldn't decide if this was a more of a DIY or a Reef Forum thread, but decided to put it into Reef Discussion since there really are not any reef-specific consumer products like this.

My 465 gallon tank incorporates 100 micron filter socks into the MRC sump, and all filter socks let the ultra fine detritus through, so everyone gets it eventually. I currently just use a python type suction hose and remove it from the sump this way, but thought I might give one of these a try to see what effect, if any, it has on mulm accumulation in the 155 gallon sump I use on my bare bottom 465 gallon SPS tank.

I have read a few threads on RC and other Forums talking about building a Detritus Settling tank made using polyethylene cone bottom tanks. These cone bottom tanks are used for wine fermentation, some biodeisel applications primarily, and they concentrate debris in the bottom of the cone, and there is usually a valve in the bottom of the cone, which allows you to open the valve and flow off collected crud in the bottom of the tank. For a reef tank, these go in-line after the overflow, but prior to the sump proper. Below is a picture of a typical one. Several manufacturers make them.

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The idea is the water from the tank overflow goes into this tank first, the detritus settles into the bottom of the tank, and the water overflows from the upper area of cone bottom the tank into the normal overflow inlet of the sump. You just turn the valve you install in the bottom of the tank to drain out the collected detritus

I have a 55 gallon cone botom tank/stand like the picture above on order, along with some bulkheads, etc. My plumbing system is modular in that I use unions, so I can alter the setup to incorporate this, but if it does not work I can put it back to the way it was before. Main thing with this cone bottom tank will be determining how it would be best to have water enter it. I plan on installing some schedule 80 bulkheads into it for the water to enter and exit, but just where to do so I'll have to wait until I get the tank and the hardware.

Just wanted to start this thread, and I'll update with pictures once I gather the tank and all the other stuff.
Dave
 
Dave,
I was planning on running something similar instead of filter socks on my build but you are beating me too it! Keep us informed on how well it works for you! :D
 
Ha i have one of those! Its my fuge!

:D

Sounds like a great idea. Would like to see how that works out.
 
Will be interesting to see because I'm so tired of washing/rinsing dirty filter socks. With the MRC sump you have, anything is possible and if anyone could do it properly, it would be you Dave. By all means, please lead the way...:fish:
 
sounds like a good idea. lots of water treatment plants use flocking tanks where they add a type of resin that causes small particles to stick together and then sink to the bottom. the particles would still sink without the flocking agent but making them stick together makes them sink faster and allows more water to be processed quicker. the only thing i would be worried about is if you let the water dump straight into the tank itll ride down to the bottom and stir up anything that has been collected maybe try installing a piece of acrylic where the water enters to prevent it from going straight down
 
sounds like an awesome plan. I'd think you would want the water to enter so it creates a whirlpool effect to help pull the particles to the bottom.

Also, I can't really tell how big that thing is but if it holds 100 gallons or more I would hate to be the one that had to pull the plug. Although one just right would make water changes a breeze.
 
It doesn't have to be cone shape to perform pretty well. I had a square 50 gallon on my previous system that did a great job . I made me a wand that worked off of a ventui that I made . I would vacuum the detritus that settled when I pumped out a water change.
 
leveldrummer;868988 wrote: it doenst have to be a cone, it just makes it much easier to export by turning a valve and pour it out. rather then using a vacuum like you mention. you can vacuum the sump or even the tank like you mention, the cone just makes this easier.

I understand the advantage of the cone , not a real hard concept. :) I had a dimple in the bottom of the tank that served the same function as the cone. I only used the wand instead of a bulkhead due to the system already running.
The size of the container and the type/velocity of flow in that container is the idea behind a sediment filter. I built several large ones 4'x8' for aquaculture facilities 30 years ago. It has been around awhile.
Dave ,tractor supply may be a source of the tanks?
 
If you don't have room for a large tank this design works well in a smaller area with a partial/controlled flow.
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I use a canister filter to "shop vac" my sump. The return line goes in the filter sock but most of it gets filter out through the canister filter. Use it once a year.

This allows me to clean without turning off the system.
 
grouper therapy;868960 wrote: It doesn't have to be cone shape to perform pretty well. I had a square 50 gallon on my previous system that did a great job . I made me a wand that worked off of a ventui that I made . I would vacuum the detritus that settled when I pumped out a water change.

I siphon out now. They make some cone bottom rectangular shaped tanks as well that you can put a bottom fitting on, but the angle is only 15 degrees or so. The greater height and steeper angle of the round tanks would appear to work better for what I want to do. the rectangular tanks are much more bulkhead friendly, though.

grouper therapy;869057 wrote: Dave ,tractor supply may be a source of the tanks?
I checked their website and couldn't find any. Would have been much quicker to buy locally. Thanks for the heads up.

If this works well, this type of settling tank can be sized for almost any system. Here are some smaller volume cone bottom rectangular tanks like you suggested from USPlastics down to as little as 3 gallons volume. They are wall mountable. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=25184&catid=513">http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=25184&catid=513</a>

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i beat you to this one dave hook a ball valve to the bottem then to your drain
place 2 peaces of egg grate in the bottom and place yor matrix on top that stuff holds a lot of waste between the rocks
once a week oppen valve drain tank and refill no crud in tank no crud in the matrix
 
Acroholic;869152 wrote: I siphon out now. They make some cone bottom rectangular shaped tanks as well that you can put a bottom fitting on, but the angle is only 15 degrees or so. The greater height and steeper angle of the round tanks would appear to work better for what I want to do. the rectangular tanks are much more bulkhead friendly, though.


I checked their website and couldn't find any. Would have been much quicker to buy locally. Thanks for the heads up.

If this works well, this type of settling tank can be sized for almost any system. Here are some smaller volume cone bottom rectangular tanks like you suggested from USPlastics down to as little as 3 gallons volume. They are wall mountable. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=25184&catid=513">http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=25184&catid=513</a>
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I see your point, it would also allow you to remove the detritus more often without doing a large water change:up:
 
I just called USPlastics to see what was up with my order. I had expected I would have the tank pretty soon. Ordered it on the 20th, but I was told it was projected to ship on July 24th!!. They had not bothered to inform me of that, so I cancelled this order and will have to look around for a different tank than the one I ordered. Apparently, these are made to order and the maker has a backlog.
 
Another change of plans, which happens pretty frequently with my projects, hehehe. I started to think about the space constraints I have to add the detritus settling tank, and realized I was going to have to move the auto water changing system reservoir if I used the 77 gallon water tank I bought for the purpose pictured below, so I rethought how to do it and have a different plan that will allow me to keep my water change reservoir where it is, and integrate a settling system into my setup that should work as well or better than my previous plan. Details coming soon.

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Well, here is the end result. I decided to either sell the 77 gallon water tank I bought or use it as a reservoir for my auto water changer. I ended up buying two of these plastic gift wrap storage containers from the Container Store. They allow me to place them correctly in the system without having to relocate my water changer reservoir. So each water inlet to the sump has its own settling tank. Also, were only $15 each, so much more economical in case they don't work as a settlement chamber. Their height and compact footprint made them a great choice for my application.

I'll give this time to work or not work, then if it does work, I may redo this with a higher quality water storage tank. If it does not work, I am not out too much money, and will set the system back up as it was before.

Now that the settling tanks are in place, I am going to vacuum the sump and just watch and see.

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