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Ok my tank has only been up and running about a month and a half.,.. And what do you know,.. diatom outbreak. Will this go away with time? All my critters appear to be doing fine. My button polyps are already starting to spread. But my clown seems to have disappeared. I planed on waiting that out as I have had fish dissapear in this tank for weeks before, just to show back up one day.

Params:

salanity: 1.024-1.025
amonnia: 0
nitrites: 0
nitrates: 5-10
temp: 80
ph: 8.2-8.4

T5 lighting,.. hmm,. anything else?

Just wondering if this will go away by itself or if there is something I should be doing?
 
Generally diatoms show up for a small period of time during the cycle or right around the time of the cycle.

How long have the diatoms been "in bloom?"

thanks,

Matt
 
They just started showing up in the past week,.. at first they werent to bad. It's starting to look a bit rough now.
 
As the silica is consumed they will reduce. If you have an external source of silica, you might be plagued indefinitely but it is unlikely this is the case.

Good news is diatoms are great food for your cleaning crew and they consume phosphates and nitrates in the process. Some people actually try to keep a light diatom dusting in there tank. For me, I just wish they were prettier.

Oh and stir them up from time to time. Your skimmer will do a good job of pulling some of it out.
 
Ok thats what I figured,.. just didnt want to be sitting on my hands if I should be doing something,.. thanks
 
Oh ok cool cameron,.. honestly they were a golden brown at first. Kinda looked cool,.. now they are just crap ugly brown.
 
I went through the same thing a while back. I just took my scrapper and waved back and forth a couple times a day. Kept the sand looking neat and the skimmer more stuff to suck out.
 
<span style="color: black;">You can always buy a silicate test kit to keep an eye on the levels in your tank. It's not really need unless you don't see the diatoms going away in the next few weeks. As Cameron stated, silica is the main source of diatoms. The silca feeding your diatoms now could have come from you sand, rocks, and/or water. It should begin to recede over the next few weeks if the source if sand or rocks. If it continues remains well beyond a month, then the source of silca would likely be your water used for top-off and new saltwater.</span>
 
Matt, This is normal, it could take a bit to go away but one day you will wake up and *Poof* they will be gone. You an expect diatoms and a bit of red slime for a few months or less.
 
How much flow do you have?

I have a Prizm Deluxe on my 15. Here are a few tips to up the performance.

Move the screw to the bottom of the two holes. Raise the skimmer body until the screw it just below the underside of the frame. Measure the height between the top of the frame and the underside of the skimmer output ledge (the part that used to rest on the frame). Make a shim to the same height as that distance and place it on tp of the frame of the tank and put the skimmer on it. Tighten the screw in its new, higher position.

This will raise the skimmer body effectively lowering the water level in the skimmer. Now the bubbles will have to work harder to rise above this level, and you can run the skimmer at a higher output without risking it overflowing or skimming too wet. Readjust the skimmer so the water level is just below the O-ring.

Be sure that you use the surface skimmer basket. I have run it with and without, and it DOES make a big difference. The skimmer also seems to work best if placed centrally in the tank and not to either side. Circulation should direct the surface film into the basket before passing the outflow ramp.

I keep the media basket filled with Seachem's Matrix Carbon. This puts a bit of back pressure on the skimmer. It is also a great place to run carbon. Sort of a free upflow media chamber. And it will also act as a bubble trap and greatly reduce microbubbles in the tank.

The necks on these skimmers are much too short and narrow to be very effective. Most of the crud will settle in a thick film inside the neck and never make it into the cup unless you skim very wet. Not recommended with this skimmer. Cleaning the cup and the inside of the neck once or twice a week, even though the cup onle has 3/8s of an inch of skimmate, will help a LOT. If you have noticed, the skimmer cup fills relativcely quikly right after it has been cleaned and then the output increasingly slows as the crud builds up inside the neck.

And if you hear it cavitating too loudly, just pinch the airhose between your fingers until you hear it stop. This will make it pull in the excess air and run much quieter.

Hmmm... Maybe I should have asked if you are running it in a sump first. And you're probably running the Pro version on a tank that size. Well. Hope this helps.

Something tells me that the crushed coral under the layer of live sand will be a huge nutrient sink at some point in the future. If it was my tank, I'd remove it. Sooner rather than later. Hate to say it. I know it's gonna be a big PITA to do it.</em>
 
Well thanks,.. I have read about raising it before,. but havent done it yet. I will try this in future, it would be nice to run it at a higher rate.

Where is the media basket? I will have to look into that.

And the neck filling up with gunk is spot on right. I get this alot and have to clean it every weekend if not more. The nosie reduction I will try as well as it is a bit loud.

And can you explain more about the CC thing?.. I was under the impression that the main problem was with particles falling into the CC and becoming a problem over time. But with the layer of sand over it I thought this would solve that problem. Can you explain further?

Flow Im a bit low on as well. IMO I have a power head running at about 270 gallons and a canister filter (empty just for flow) running at about 240. No sump
 
You can run Phosban and Black Diamond carbon or Renew in the canister. They might need to be in media bags depending on the make of the filter. Maybe a pouch of Purigen, too. Floss and filter mats are bad news.

You're at about 10 times flow now. Not terrible, depending on what you want to keep. I'd probably add a Maxijet 900 with a Hydor Flo aimed front and center. Put the other powerhead in one corner aimed to the middle of the front and the canister output in the other corner with the intake in the middle. That should keep the water moving good and eliminate most, if not all, dead spots. The Flo will give you some chaotic movement to help keep detritus suspended and moving.

The media basket and the surface skimmer basket are part of the "Deluxe" package that Red Sea offers for the Prizm. About $25 online if you don't have it already. Do you have the Pro version?

The longer the skimmer breaks in, the quieter it will become. And the higher the throughput, the less cavitation or leaked air it will have. The extra flow seems to pull the excess air along with it.

Crushed coral is known for trapping detritus and nutrients. The result: Endless Cyano Nightmare and/or Hair Algae Farm. Sealing it in with a layer of sand is good in theory, but bad in practice. The result: Nitrates Thru the Roof. Too much infusion of nutrients and oxygen into what should be an anerobic and low nutrient zone for denitrifying bacteria. The voids between the large grains of CC allow for too much water flow thru your sandbed, especially at the deepest levels.

You're gonna hate me now, but thank me later. Pull the rock. Scoop out the sand down to the layer of CC. Remove the CC and put it in your garden or flowerbeds. Put down a fresh layer of oolitic sand and put the old sand back on top. Total sand depth should be about 2 to 2.5 inches. Reaquascape.
I'm not sure, but it mught be easier to drain the tank while you do this to avoid having to work in some really cloudy water. If you leave the water in, you might want to keep the canister running and pack it with some filter floss to help clear the finer particles.

You'll probably need to drain enough water out of the tank into a large enough container to hold the live rock anyway. You might want to move the heater and powerhead to that container as well if you want to store the rock there until the water clears enough to allow you to see while you reaquascape.

It sounds like the tank isn't too far along to do this without a big impact. You might see a mini cycle. Just some friendly advice.

Definitely raise the skimmer and the flow.
 
Wow,.. ok no offense to you dakota. You really seem to know what you are talking about, but this is gonna be a PITA,. so does anyone elese have an opinon on this?

And thanks Dakota for taking the time with this,.. don't think Im ignoring it.
 
None taken. I love second opinions even if they prove me wrong.
Always a good learning experience. :)
 
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