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A few months ago I posted a piece tiltled "Ode to a Red Scooter Blenny." I was told by some members that they can be difficult to keep because they are a dragonet. It has thrived and will even take food out of my baster. Does that mean I might be OK with a Mandarin?

Thanks,

John
 
Mandarins tend to be the pickiest of dragonets in my findings.

It would depend on the individual Mandarin if it took prepared foods.

Even if I had a large established tank, I'd want any Mandarin I purchased to accept prepared foods and would ask any LFS to feed it prior to purchase.
 
Dakota, good advice (as usual). I've got frags for you whenever you are ready.
 
I've always wanted a manderin if you find one that's eating prepared foods is there anything elts you have to worry about anything unusual in careing for them
 
Well, they need peaceful tanks, moderate flow at the most and most importantly a WELL established system, not just for pod growth but to avoid (even minor) ammonia spikes.
 
Curator;392411 wrote: Dakota, good advice (as usual). I've got frags for you whenever you are ready.



And I'll gladly take those frags from you next week! I'll find ou7t this weekend how much of my livestock has died because of my blunder in cracking my tank.


:D:D:D:D:D
 
Most mandarins at the LFS are wild caught, and therefore not going to be trained to prepared foods.

Matt Pedersen at MOFIB has done a lot of work to train them to eat prepared foods:

#1. I put any new Synchiropus into a "Breeder Net" - it's a small net pen that you hang in the tank. This allows the Synchiropus to be isolated from the rest of the community, allowing it to settle in and not have to compete for food. This is the crucial first step...skipping this makes the rest relatively pointless!

#2. Start off with feeding ENRICHED adult live brine shrimp. Enriching is crucial...I like using Selcon for a final enrichment, and I feed the adult brine shrimp with phytoplankton I've cultured here (http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/dictionary.php?word=Isochrysis&fulltext=T-Iso">T-Iso</a>, [IMG]http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/dictionary.php?word=Nannochloropsis&fulltext=Nanno">Nanno</a>, [IMG]http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/dictionary.php?word=Tetraselmis&fulltext=Tetraselmis">Tetraselmis</a> etc).

#3. What happens is that the mandarins get accustomed to taking the live brine shrimp. Having the breeder net, typically what happens is that external currents will push the live brine up against one of the sides of the container...so they get pinned there. So you have a live, wriggling brine shrimp sitting there on the "substrate", and to a Synchiropus this is a pretty natural presentaiton.

#4. Once the Synchiropus is feeding well on live brine shrimp, you start mixing in frozen enriched brine shrimp. While it doesn't wriggle, it otherwise looks the same and gets pinned to the side of the container just like the live stuff does. It may happen quick, or it may take weeks, but once you see the Synchiropus take the frozen brine a couple times, I generally quickly wean the fish off live brine.

#5. Once the fish is eating enriched frozen brine consistently, introducing new foods is simply a matter of time. The next food in the progression is frozen mysis, and <u>FWIW</u>, a Synchiropus will live, get fat and spawn on a diet of enriched frozen brine and mysis.

#6. Once the fish is feeding well on the foods I want to be sure it eats, the fish is ready to go into the tank at large. I've found using a "Feeding Station" (look this up in relation to Seahorses) works really well with Synchiropus (also look up Malev's Mandarin Diner). You have to watch the Dragonette to make sure it's getting what it needs and that it's found the feeding station and otherwise just not getting outcompeted. <u>FWIW</u>, this is probably more of a problem in a LARGER aquarium vs. a smaller one (<u>i.e</u>. I keep 2 Synchiropus splendidus and 2 S. stellatus in a [IMG]http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/dictionary.php?word=US%20Gallon&fulltext=24%20gallon">24 gallon</a> cube...it works and "breaks the rules" because they're all fully trained onto prepared foods and I feed pretty heavily!) If the fish goes into the main tank and starts to get thin, you'll have to repeat the process or reconsider the community it's going into (obviously if we are talking a breeding situation with dedicated broodstock tanks, outcompetition shouldn't be an issue!)

Bottom line, once they settle in, they are pretty solid fish in my book. Obviously you need to start with healthy fish, <u>i.e</u>. avoid the really emmaciated specimens...they are too far gone. Look for the ones that are active and picking around the tank for food.

As far as PELLETS, my only thing with those is that it takes a LONG time. Luis made the observation that he tried an old batch and didn't have any luck..when he used a newly opened container they went right to it. Mine mandarins probably took 6 months or longer to accept pellets, whereas my Red Scooter Blennies may take them in as little as 2 week's time! Formula 1 pellets (smallest size) seem to be the ideal first pellet to offer -they're soft and have a really enticing smell. After that I've been able to get mine to also eat Formula 2 pellets and Spectrum Pellets.

Bottom line, If you take your time and dedicate the effort, you'll have no problem.

<u>FWIW</u>, [/QUOTE]
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It would be rare, indeed, to find a mandarin at an LFS eating this way, but it is certainly doable by the hobbyist with patience and care.

Also, I don't keep the scooter blennies, but if you plan to keep them both in the same tank, I'd ask around about compability. I believe I've read here that they are not compatible.
 
To my knowledge *all* dragonets sold in LFS are wild caught. I've never seen any wholesaler advertise tank raised ones - at least not the suppliers I use.

So any dragonet would have to be trained to frozen.

FWIW I got in some Fingered Dragonets (Dactylopus dactylopus) a few years ago for TDWYATT and they ate frozen right away - and even ate flakes. Surprised the heck out of me. Wish I could find them again - they were freaking cool.

Jenn
 
JennM;392492 wrote: To my knowledge *all* dragonets sold in LFS are wild caught. I've never seen any wholesaler advertise tank raised ones - at least not the suppliers I use.

So any dragonet would have to be trained to frozen.

FWIW I got in some Fingered Dragonets (Dactylopus dactylopus) a few years ago for TDWYATT and they ate frozen right away - and even ate flakes. Surprised the heck out of me. Wish I could find them again - they were freaking cool.

Jenn

Only one US breeder (Matt Wittenrich) has tank raised them to sale size - and he did so on live ocean plankton.
 
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