External return pumps. How hot are they supposed to get?

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I have a tan world 1900. I over bought on the gallons per hour return, and by that I mean, misounte can't keep up with the amount of flow it produces. To compensate I put in shut off valves to add a little resistance and slow down the return. My fear is that I may be causing a little more stress on the motor then is necessary. So to the subject, how hot do Extertal pumps get? This is the first time I've ever used an external blog, and I just wanted to make sure that I'm not screwing the pump up.
 
Warm=ok. Hot=not. If you wouldn't feel comfortable putting you cheek on it I think something is awry. Restricting the inlet will cause this more than restricting the outlet.
 
Seth The Wine Guy;781564 wrote: Warm=ok. Hot=not. If you wouldn't feel comfortable putting you cheek on it I think something is awry. Restricting the inlet will cause this more than restricting the outlet.

thats a good way to put it.
 
I restricted the outlet. Thanks for your comment. So I guess warm is the norm?
 
Sorry about the myriad of typos Siri likes to screw with what I'm trying to say
 
can you put a bypass in the plumbing and dump some of it in the sump. yes it will increase the flow in the sump but allow you to valve back the flow in the tank. in other words its like drive your car at full speed but riding your brakes to keep you at 55mph. you can do it but the brakes and or motor and other items could wear early.

you can always add a reactor and put some carbon or something in it, it would allow you to flow some somewhere else and get something out of it as well.
 
Restricting your pump to a point does not produce more heat or strain the pump.
The pump does not know the difference of the ball valve or vertical lift. Many pumps will draw less wattage with added head pressure vs. no restriction and less wattage means less heat.
The car analogy doesn't work with electric motors they do not function the same as an internal combustion.
 
eagle9252;781591 wrote: I see your point. I was not thinking of the head pressure vs ball valve
I would mot have either if I had not had it bought to my attention .:)
The correct amount of restriction on the discharge side of the pump can actually increase the efficiency of the pump. Every pump has that sweet spot.
 
yes i had a Lil Giant rep tell me that his pumps worked best at 60% of the stated curve for the sweet spot.
 
And external pumps run HOT. Some hotter than others. Iwaki reps say that you should be able to touch your hand to it for about 5 seconds. That would be pushing it for mine. As for touching a cheek to it? No way man.. Not on this one anyhow, but again, this pump is known to run HOT.

They do (well, this one does anyhow) generally have a thermal cut-off so if the pump gets too hot it will shut off.
 
All motors less than 5hp are required by nec to have an internal thermal overload
 
JeF4y;781614 wrote: And external pumps run HOT. Some hotter than others. Iwaki reps say that you should be able to touch your hand to it for about 5 seconds. That would be pushing it for mine. As for touching a cheek to it? No way man.. Not on this one anyhow, but again, this pump is known to run HOT.

They do (well, this one does anyhow) generally have a thermal cut-off so if the pump gets too hot it will shut off.
Exactly. They draw more watts which usually(not always) means more heat and they do not have the water surrounding them to transfer the heat to. Most rely on a fan at the end to dissipate the heat.

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JohnIII;781615 wrote: All motors less than 5hp are required by nec to have an internal thermal overload
Yep the ones with the one trip ponies hurt the pocket book somtimes.
 
Thanks guys for chiming in. Grouper made alot of sense. However eagle got my brain churning about running some reactors off it. I have two old heavy duty water filters...think RODI units, any good DIY IDEAS.
 
you can convert them from di to an empty container and put anything you want in them .

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