Extremely fresh or even live seafood?
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I used to make my own food and it worked out real well, it's pretty much the exact same as the "pappone" food, except it also used fish & veggie oil and a liquid emulsifier
I cant remember if it was dana riddle or what author came up with it, it was in one of the books back in the mid 90's, pretty sure it was dana though
I used to make my own food and it worked out real well, it's pretty much the exact same as the "pappone" food, except it also used fish & veggie oil and a liquid emulsifier
I cant remember if it was dana riddle or what author came up with it, it was in one of the books back in the mid 90's, pretty sure it was dana though
I have some of the Seachem aminos (Reef Plus) but would like to try the Elos aminos (Omega Amino). Seachem lists about 5 aminos and the Elos product claims it has 17 aminos.
The HGH they put in the original pappone recipe supposedly breaks down into component amino acids. HGH has 191 aminos in it! You can order HGH online but I think it is illegal without a prescription and also very expensive.I think I will leave the HGH out.
I am going to use the sugar (carbon source) in the recipe but reduce the dose by half for the first round of food. I am not going to add any aminos (or HGH) to the Pappone but rather will dose the aminos an hour before lights out and then do the pappone feeding. It seems that the aminos added to the blender may break down into raw components (ammonia, nitrate)?
I have been using pretty much the standard berlin method (strong light, live rock, lotsa flow and good skimming) with the addition of the refugium. Since I have been more intrigued with the SPS corals I have been looking for other methods to try and increase color and growth.
The Blu coral/Pappone method is not just the food but also the elevated levels: Magnesium 1500, Calcium 500, Strontium 16-30, Alkalinity (dkH) 12-14, Iodine 0.06 mg/L. These elevated levels allow for a "reserve" of readily available growth elements.
I have been raising my parameters (ca, alk, mg) close to the elevated levels of Pappone with ca at 450ppm, alk at 10-11dKH and mg at 1400. I am currently having no problem keeping them elevated with dosing b-ionic 2 part with the aqua medic reefdoser and some manual Mg additions. Next is Sr (strontium).
The other part of this method that makes sense is the feeding and how they do it. Aminos are dosed about a hour before lights out while actinics are still on. This seems to act like an appetizer for the corals and seems to produce some pretty impressive polyp extension. The pappone food is then dosed to the tank with no skimmer running overnight. The next morning you crank your skimmer back up to remove the leftover pappone. This is done 1-3 times a week.
The result seems to be increased growth in hard corals and some nice coloration.
I am going seafood shopping this weekend and will make my first batch. I am sure it will take several weeks/months to see any results.
The Blu coral/Pappone method is not just the food but also the elevated levels: Magnesium 1500, Calcium 500, Strontium 16-30, Alkalinity (dkH) 12-14, Iodine 0.06 mg/L. These elevated levels allow for a "reserve" of readily available growth elements.
I have been raising my parameters (ca, alk, mg) close to the elevated levels of Pappone with ca at 450ppm, alk at 10-11dKH and mg at 1400. I am currently having no problem keeping them elevated with dosing b-ionic 2 part with the aqua medic reefdoser and some manual Mg additions. Next is Sr (strontium).
The other part of this method that makes sense is the feeding and how they do it. Aminos are dosed about a hour before lights out while actinics are still on. This seems to act like an appetizer for the corals and seems to produce some pretty impressive polyp extension. The pappone food is then dosed to the tank with no skimmer running overnight. The next morning you crank your skimmer back up to remove the leftover pappone. This is done 1-3 times a week.
The result seems to be increased growth in hard corals and some nice coloration.
I am going seafood shopping this weekend and will make my first batch. I am sure it will take several weeks/months to see any results.
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There is a place on buford highway where a lot of the sushi restaurants get their seafood.
As such, its pretty darn fresh. They don't sell to the general public though, unless you have a restaurant or you can speak japanese. Since I semi qualify for the latter category I do shop there on occasion when I need to purchase in bulk.
If you want I can go check on prices when I get some free time.
As such, its pretty darn fresh. They don't sell to the general public though, unless you have a restaurant or you can speak japanese. Since I semi qualify for the latter category I do shop there on occasion when I need to purchase in bulk.
If you want I can go check on prices when I get some free time.
I think you are right about Kroger not being fresh enough. I am hoping to find live mussels and shrimp. I have even seen live oysters available in Florida. The live/fresh ingredients I think is a key to this really working...don't settle...we can even do a road trip to the coast if we have to. :yes:
Are you saying your skimmer is underpowered (prolly not!) or are you saying you are going to do less time with the skimmer off? I am going to stick to the recipe of overnight and see what happens. Most of the Italians leave their skimmer running and just take the cup off. I guess this is to keep the aquarium well oxygenated during the feeding.
I plan to take my filter socks off before the feeding and leave them off for the night and then put them back on in the morning when I crank the skimmer back up.
To help balance things I am also going to cut back on other feedings that target the corals (phyto especially) and just feed the fish only (and pappone for the corals). I will still feed mysis, formula one, cylcopeeze, green algae and emerald entree to the fish so the total input will still be higher than what I was previously feeding.
I may have to upgrade my skimmer as the one I have, while awesome, may be undersized for this job. I do have the 30g refugium as a backup for nutrient processing. Will be interesting to see how things unfold with the introduction of the carbon source (sugar in the pappone). This should kick the whole process into high gear!
My aquarium is just about 1 year old and has stabilized in regards to keeping the parameters up and it's nutrient processing ability. I have only had corals in the tank for 4 months so the SPS growth is all still young. I have taken pictures of the tank each month so I can look back and see the growth and color of the corals (hopefully improve) as I move forward. It will be interesting to see how well this method works. I just hope that I am not starting too early?
I may have to upgrade my skimmer as the one I have, while awesome, may be undersized for this job. I do have the 30g refugium as a backup for nutrient processing. Will be interesting to see how things unfold with the introduction of the carbon source (sugar in the pappone). This should kick the whole process into high gear!
My aquarium is just about 1 year old and has stabilized in regards to keeping the parameters up and it's nutrient processing ability. I have only had corals in the tank for 4 months so the SPS growth is all still young. I have taken pictures of the tank each month so I can look back and see the growth and color of the corals (hopefully improve) as I move forward. It will be interesting to see how well this method works. I just hope that I am not starting too early?
These should work for freezing the pappone mix into smaller cubes. These cubes are about the size of the frozen brine or mysis cubes. I think this size will be much easier to guage the feeding and will allow a slower start.
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