Flame Scallop

[jennm]

LOL I told her that too - in about 5 more years she'll be amazed at how much smarter I've become! :lol:

It's all a part of growing up. She's much more "book smart" than I'll ever be (engineering student)... but wisdom only comes with age and experience!

 

[dasugaman]

I agree with Jenn, I had one of these guys and he lasted for about 4 or 5 months, never was sure why he died, but he was pretty cool to watch.

 

[KrisDeitz]

dasugaman;647876 wrote: I agree with Jenn, I had one of these guys and he lasted for about 4 or 5 months, never was sure why he died, but he was pretty cool to watch.

Them being so cheap i wont be sad about losing it after 6 months. Its cool and new. Better then buying a 200.00+ cuttle fish for a year or two

 

[jennm]

I guess that's where we differ. I find it kind of sad that some forms of life are considered "disposable". To each his/her own, I guess.

Jenn

 

[skriz]

PFCDeitz;647895 wrote: Them being so cheap i wont be sad about losing it after 6 months. Its cool and new. Better then buying a 200.00+ cuttle fish for a year or two

:yuk:

These animals should be left in the oceans. Like Jenn said, they generally don't fare well. And being okay with killing them is just disgusting. :sick:

 

[KrisDeitz]

Skriz;647927 wrote: :yuk:

These animals should be left in the oceans. Like Jenn said, they generally don't fare well. And being okay with killing them is just disgusting. :sick:

Every animal should be but they aren't. Pets are prisoners no matter if it lives 6 months or 50 years. So let's not jump the gun and say being ok with it is disgusting.

 

[jennm]

Pets that live 50 years generally don't starve to death. The article I posted suggest that starvation is the most likely cause of death for these creatures. Creatures die - that's a given, but knowingly keeping them while they are allowed to starve to death does not seem very humane to me.

JMHO, of course.

Jenn

 

[db366]

It might be starving to death but it's not intentional. It's not like he would be going to buy this from a LFS with the intention of starving it.. if you try to feed it then who knows maybe it will learn to eat what your trying to feed it.

Also it's not like he is special ordering it out of the ocean, that flame scallop has already been taken out of its natural habitat and sent to a LFS so the way I see it is it has a better chance for survival in someones tank who is trying to keep it alive than sitting at a LFS...

 

[jennm]

Playing devil's advocate here for a minute... if one learns (ie from the article I posted) that the animal is likely to starve to death, is it still OK?

I don't think it's OK for LFS to buy them either (hence, I don't). If education would permeate through the chain of custody, demand would cease and they'd be left in the ocean.

Ignorance is not an excuse.

For what it's worth, much of what we keep today was impossible at some point in the past, but people *did* learn by trial and error what worked and what didn't. It's not ideal, but that's how it works.

I'm not suggesting that somebody who has done their research should not be allowed to try to figure them out - that's how the hobby got where it is (and probably a bit of good luck along the way too.)

The numbers of fragile creatures "available" would diminish if people made informed choices.

Knowingly purchasing a creature to allow it to starve, is never OK in my book. Unfortunately, it happens all the time. I've had so many emaciated dragonets brought to me by people who purchased them without any knowledge of what they needed, it's not funny. And for clarity - they didn't come from me. But people know I'm a soft heart and they bring me all kinds of things that would otherwise die. I just wish they'd spoken to me *before* they bought them in the first place. Those that have survived, (some were past the point of saving), find suitable homes once they're fattened up again. It irks me at times that people buy things they can't take care of (and it also irks me that people sell folks things that they can't take care of). But, I can't compel others to research, and I can't tell others how to run their businesses. That just comes with the territory. It just breaks my heart sometimes when poor decisions take their toll on innocent creatures.

Jenn

 

[skriz]

PFCDeitz;647929 wrote: Every animal should be but they aren't. Pets are prisoners no matter if it lives 6 months or 50 years. So let's not jump the gun and say being ok with it is disgusting.

No, being okay with starving an animal to death IS disgusting, period.

Let's play with your analogy. Starving a prisoner to death is also disgusting; I'm not sure how you're justifying it by labeling the animal a prisoner. Would you have the same attitude if this were a $7 puppy that is well known to die quickly when not left in its natural habitat?

If people stop buying these, the Lfs will stop stocking them. Once the Lfs stops stocking them, the wholesalers will stop importing them. It must start somewhere.

 

[KrisDeitz]

Closing my mouth.

Someone close this please.

 

[db366]

Skriz;648029 wrote:

If people stop buying these, the Lfs will stop stocking them. Once the Lfs stops stocking them, the wholesalers will stop importing them. It must start somewhere.

Yep and if we all stop eating beef no more cows will be slaughtered. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing really just needs to be said... Whether or not it's disgusting is a matter of opinion and really doesn't need to be shoved onto anyone else...

 

[jennm]

db366;648049 wrote: Yep and if we all stop eating beef no more cows will be slaughtered. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing really just needs to be said... Whether or not it's disgusting is a matter of opinion and really doesn't need to be shoved onto anyone else...

The cows didn't starve to death.

 

[db366]

Starving a brainless mollusk or gorging a calf locked into a small crate.. pick your poison.

Many many many corals and fish were harmed in the making of this hobby, if your goal is to try to keep it alive no matter what other people have told you then what makes it wrong? If it is wrong then the foundations of this hobby are wrong.

 

[looters]

This has really gone to places it shouldn't.

I have a scallop in a nano been alive for 3 months and I spot feed it every day and it looks good. Do what you want don't judge me and I won't judge you.

What about the chickens?

 

[KrisDeitz]

This is why i asked for it to be closed. Simple question spun outta control.

Thank you Jenn for your Opinions and everyone else.


Using a puppy as a example was just dumb. But we wont speak of it

 

[holabird]

As I said, I have two flame scallops. No one told me they would not survive and no one said they would starve to death and I bought one of them from a respected sponsor of this forum. It seems to me that the starving is still a theory and opinion and still not fact. Still, enough to tell me not to buy another one. I dont eat veal because of the way a calf is treated to get veal. I dont think the calf made the decision to spend its life in a cage but it seems to be accepted by most people, not me. Many many marine specimen have died from people trying to learn more about them, and this will continue. Is it ok to loose a few for the betterment of many? Not for me to decide. If I do decide to buy another flame scallop, I certainly wont tell anyone and bear the vengenace of a few. Who knows, maybe it will be me who finds out how to keep them alive.

 

[skriz]

db366;648049 wrote: Yep and if we all stop eating beef no more cows will be slaughtered. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing really just needs to be said... Whether or not it's disgusting is a matter of opinion and really doesn't need to be shoved onto anyone else...

See Jenn's response below..

JennM;648086 wrote: The cows didn't starve to death.

Exactly!

PFCDeitz;648100 wrote: This is why i asked for it to be closed. Simple question spun outta control.

Thank you Jenn for your Opinions and everyone else.


Using a puppy as a example was just dumb. But we wont speak of it

The question was fine. It was your obtuse statement that changed the direction of the thread.

holabird;648102 wrote: As I said, I have two flame scallops. No one told me they would not survive and no one said they would starve to death and I bought one of them from a respected sponsor of this forum. It seems to me that the starving is still a theory and opinion and still not fact. Still, enough to tell me not to buy another one. I dont eat veal because of the way a calf is treated to get veal. I dont think the calf made the decision to spend its life in a cage but it seems to be accepted by most people, not me. Many many marine specimen have died from people trying to learn more about them, and this will continue. Is it ok to loose a few for the betterment of many? Not for me to decide. If I do decide to buy another flame scallop, I certainly wont tell anyone and bear the vengenace of a few. Who knows, maybe it will be me who finds out how to keep them alive.

It's not a theory. And nobody is blaming anybody who purchased these without knowing about their poor survival rates. I hope everyone who has a flame scallop has it for a very long time; I hope they thrive, I really do. I wouldn't advise anybody to purchase one because of their poor survival rates and will always stand against the reckless disregard for life.

db366 - I don't care for locking a calf in a cage to consume either, but I will never judge someone who feels differently about their food source. BUT, I also see a big difference between that and leaving the calf in the cage to starve to death.

 

[smallblock]

its amazing to me how certain people only show up when there is a fight or to correct someone.

 

[smallblock]

right on time buddy, how you been charlie. I hope everything is going good for you. How is the move going?