Reason why I said we do not know the full history of Earth's weather conditions. The great garbage patch shouldnt even exist. Its sickening to think that it is there. I agree but I think 5% of the money for global warming should go to the eradication of it.
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Reason why I said we do not know the full history of Earth's weather conditions. The great garbage patch shouldnt even exist. Its sickening to think that it is there. I agree but I think 5% of the money for global warming should go to the eradication of it.
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That is pretty funny!
I'm not nearly as worried about global warming as I am about acidification of the oceans from CO2 produced by carbon based fuels. Heat can radiate off into space to some extent, but CO2 is trapped in our atmosphere due to the Earth's gravity. It readily diffuses into seawater, being about 38 times more soluble than oxygen.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_1148.html">http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_1148.html</a>
Although the exact consequences are not well understood, there is good evidence the oceans are becoming more acidic.
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http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_1148.html">http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_1148.html</a>
Although the exact consequences are not well understood, there is good evidence the oceans are becoming more acidic.
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IMO global warming is basically BS......i have a file somewhere on my computer in which a noted physicist studied ice core samples...basically the study he performed over a period of 15 or some odd years comes down to this....the earth goes thru 100,000 year cycles of whereby the CO2 levels rise and fall, peaking at every 100,000yrs or so.....guess where we are in the cycle?????....thats right.....at the 100K mark since the last peak. once i find the study ill post it....its a very long read....so make sure you have time if you want to run thru the text entirely.....true, we have helped give rise to CO2 levels.....but not nearly enough to do as much damage as we are being told.....and dont get me wrong im still all about recycling and doing as much as i can to be "green"...but lately it seems like its become another "HOLLYWOOD FAD".
How many times has the earth cycled with getting hot, ice age, hot, ice age... It happens, its a cycle alot like our tanks. They go through cycles of algae, some crash, some get taken down. I think its a load of C***. Since Im in Europe I have noticed everyone is on the same page here. I think we have been bad to the planet for sure, but after being stuck driving 1.1 litre diesels for 2 months im ready to get home and do a tad more polluting while I actually get somewhere. You could time the 0-60 of most of these cars with a sundial if Belgian weather was not = to Seattle.
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I believe in Global warming, but I think its part of the natural cycle of the earth. Its also a great way for Al Gore to get a gang of hippies together for a music festival. I got invited to a green peace rally here in Belgium, I asked if they would appreaciate it if I pulled up in my 7.3 Liter Diesel F-250.
now i'm no scientist, but co2 seems to be the big worry, right. isn't co2 what trees take in to make o2 for me TO BREATH.
c02/tress = oxygen :shout:
if co2 is so dang bad, why are some of us manually pumping it into our tanks?
i'm pumping co2 into my homebrew, because o2 would ruin it.
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please forgive my spelling errors
c02/tress = oxygen :shout:
if co2 is so dang bad, why are some of us manually pumping it into our tanks?
i'm pumping co2 into my homebrew, because o2 would ruin it.
:ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh:
please forgive my spelling errors
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I am in total agreement!:lol2:
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Im all about efficiency. If it is cheaper to run my house (or tank) using geo thermal cooling, wind power, or solar power I would love to do it, but not for the little green leaf badge, just to get the most out of my investments. Lots of really cool green ideas out there, just let me know when they are reliable and cost effective.
No, CO2 itself is not a 'bad' thing, but bad is a relative concept. A gun is not bad until someone is pointing it at you, or someone you care about gets shot. Billions of years ago the Earth had a very acidic atmosphere. Life as we know it, did not exist, except for microbes that used CO2 in metabolism. We can still see these microbes in thermal vents, anoxic environments, OUR AQUARIUMS, for example. Granted, we APPEAR to be a long way from returning to those conditions. Most of that carbon (which used to be CO2) is bound up in vegetable matter (plants/trees/phytoplanton), oil, coal and natural gas deposits, in addition to carbonate deposits such as cacium carbonate. All of the concern is based on the FACT that mankind is liberating (ie-re-releasing) that carbon as CO2 at an abnormally high/accelerated rate. What this means for us as a species, and the planet is largely unknown, ESPECIALLY the shorter term/immediate consequences (what does this mean to me/us?).
As my quote says..."Ignorance is THE basis of fear". What that means is that we ALL tend to be afraid of things we do not clearly understand. We can cure our ignorance through learning. No one has THE definitive answers to all of this debate. Only time, research and a lot of work will get us to that. Turning our backs on potential problems and living in denial about the potential consequences is irresponsible-IMO.
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The major world powers have no REAL interest in going green. They're only interested in applying the green principles to third world and growing nations.
To combat hydrocarbon emissions, the US government insituted Emissions testing programs (they're up to each state to implement at the discretion of the state..they're optional programs). The emissions testing only applies to vehicles produced during the last 25 years. The older vehicles that are more likely to pollute are exempt from emissions standards as are heavier vehicles (large trucks, commercial vehicles, etc)...does this make sense to anybody except bureaucrats?
Then, there are countries like India that do not have running water and electricity to every household, yet they have the most extensive recycling program anywhere. They also have 100% of all commercial vehicles running on CNG (compressed natural gas). Brasil is running a biofuel produced from sugarcanes. All while the US is "researching" alternative fuels..
To combat hydrocarbon emissions, the US government insituted Emissions testing programs (they're up to each state to implement at the discretion of the state..they're optional programs). The emissions testing only applies to vehicles produced during the last 25 years. The older vehicles that are more likely to pollute are exempt from emissions standards as are heavier vehicles (large trucks, commercial vehicles, etc)...does this make sense to anybody except bureaucrats?
Then, there are countries like India that do not have running water and electricity to every household, yet they have the most extensive recycling program anywhere. They also have 100% of all commercial vehicles running on CNG (compressed natural gas). Brasil is running a biofuel produced from sugarcanes. All while the US is "researching" alternative fuels..
Skriz, you make several GREAT points. Due to our free enterprise based economy, and the lack of any other true (ie-strong/well organized) initiative, I'm afraid we won't see major change regarding the 'Green' movement until there is profit to be had from it. What we CAN do individually, is purchase Green technology to accelerate this trend.
As for India and Brazil (as well as others), I am reminded of the quote that: "necessity is the mother of invention".
Meanwhile, here in the US, we face the enormous momentum of our economy. Change usually happens slowly (though there are exceptions). Maybe 'We the People' can help facilitate that for the common good of all.
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True, but the government can and do force change when they want to. Just look at HD tvs and broadcasting. The government stepped in and forced the cable compaines to broadcast in HD by a certain date, which forced the TV manufacturers to produce more HD sets.
The same can be done for commercial vehicles. If the government sets a date for all commercial vehicles to change over to CNG, the gasoline companies will begin to implement filling stations around the country in anticipation of the change over.
I agree that necessity drives the growing countries, but the point is that it's possible to make and implement the change. If a country without runnign water can do it, then why can't</em> the US? The answer is it can</em>, but it simply doesn't want to.
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