Actually they DID do emissions on commercial vehicles and large trucks. Instead of making them TEST they cleaned up the fuel. You remember the days when Diesel was WAY cheaper than petrol? Well, in Nov 07 they took allowable sulphur down from 300ppm to 15ppm. Now diesel the supposed "by product" of gasoline is now super refined and there for drove the pice up well beyond gas. In Belgium almost every car is diesel, they consider it cleaner fuel, still far less expensive than petrol, but no where near as clean as our diesel. On another note 25 yr old cars are considered classic, there are not many of them around, and most that are are taken care of in order to have made it this long. It is such a tiny percentage of cars on the road they are exempt. Natural gas is a much more dangerous fuel to have in a vehicle. Saftey comes into play. Again here in Belgium you can have a natural gas vehicle but are not permitted to park in a garage or underground. More than a slight disadvantage. For some reason the hybrids hit the US harder than Europe, for being so liberal and "green" this makes no sense. Virtually every government in the world subsidizes green energy for homes and business. solar and wind power being the more popular versions. Coca Cola has been converting their delivery trucks to hybrids, sweet move. Once again, when it becomes cost effective and I can get power out of a hybrid ill consider it, im just not jumping on the trendy bandwagon of "look how green I am, when I get out of my 45 min shower and run my 5000 watt hairdryer for another 30 minutes then jump in my prius" Give me a break.
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Actually they DID do emissions on commercial vehicles and large trucks. Instead of making them TEST they cleaned up the fuel. You remember the days when Diesel was WAY cheaper than petrol? Well, in Nov 07 they took allowable sulphur down from 300ppm to 15ppm. Now diesel the supposed "by product" of gasoline is now super refined and there for drove the pice up well beyond gas. In Belgium almost every car is diesel, they consider it cleaner fuel, still far less expensive than petrol, but no where near as clean as our diesel. On another note 25 yr old cars are considered classic, there are not many of them around, and most that are are taken care of in order to have made it this long. It is such a tiny percentage of cars on the road they are exempt. Natural gas is a much more dangerous fuel to have in a vehicle. Saftey comes into play. Again here in Belgium you can have a natural gas vehicle but are not permitted to park in a garage or underground. More than a slight disadvantage. For some reason the hybrids hit the US harder than Europe, for being so liberal and "green" this makes no sense. Virtually every government in the world subsidizes green energy for homes and business. solar and wind power being the more popular versions. Coca Cola has been converting their delivery trucks to hybrids, sweet move. Once again, when it becomes cost effective and I can get power out of a hybrid ill consider it, im just not jumping on the trendy bandwagon of "look how green I am, when I get out of my 45 min shower and run my 5000 watt hairdryer for another 30 minutes then jump in my prius" Give me a break.
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True, but ongoing testing would allow them to ensure the emmsions controls on the vehicles are still functioning.
A 1984 vehicle is hardly a "classic" anymore. The amount of pollution they release is much higher than newer vehicles that fail the current emissions test.
And the hybrids are crap. Just look at what it takes to produce the batteries required for them. More pollution is released in the production and transport of the batteries than during the life of a ULEV gasoline vehicle.
"...the lack of any other true (ie-strong/well organized) initiative"...</em>
This is the essence of the problem,as I see it (my quote). The Federal Government is mandating change in a way, but this is being done via tax credits for early adopters of geothermal, solar, wind turbines, the credits for window, door and insulation upgrades, etc. You are correct in that they could </em>mandate change (legislatively, by making it law), but as I said above, I believe it is viewed here in the US as a free enterprise issue. Innovation is driven largely by market factors. Not that the markets dictate what gets invented, but they sure determine what gets sold!
Ah diesel! Years ago (early 1990's) I was working in R&D for a large US corporation. I went to LA to investigate special power supplies which produced high voltage at high frequencies. Although my application was different, one of the uses for this technology was to 'treat' diesel exhausts thereby reducing the 'soot' in the diesel exhaust stream. The inventors included the Department Chair of Electrical Engineering at UCLA. He had succeeded in reducing the soot by 80+%. The technology has never been used! Why? No one would pay for it! There was no compelling reason for Detroit to purchase rights to use it. As I said before, the US is a market driven economy. Until there is a profit, you will almost never see anything get commercialized!
This is the essence of the problem,as I see it (my quote). The Federal Government is mandating change in a way, but this is being done via tax credits for early adopters of geothermal, solar, wind turbines, the credits for window, door and insulation upgrades, etc. You are correct in that they could </em>mandate change (legislatively, by making it law), but as I said above, I believe it is viewed here in the US as a free enterprise issue. Innovation is driven largely by market factors. Not that the markets dictate what gets invented, but they sure determine what gets sold!
Ah diesel! Years ago (early 1990's) I was working in R&D for a large US corporation. I went to LA to investigate special power supplies which produced high voltage at high frequencies. Although my application was different, one of the uses for this technology was to 'treat' diesel exhausts thereby reducing the 'soot' in the diesel exhaust stream. The inventors included the Department Chair of Electrical Engineering at UCLA. He had succeeded in reducing the soot by 80+%. The technology has never been used! Why? No one would pay for it! There was no compelling reason for Detroit to purchase rights to use it. As I said before, the US is a market driven economy. Until there is a profit, you will almost never see anything get commercialized!
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I thought they forced stations to broadcast digitally to clear analog channels? Then they provided coupons so people wouldn't have to get new TVs, they could get converter boxes instead. There can be digital broadcast without HDTV.
Don't see too much conspiracy theory there...
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Cable companies refused to broadcast HD because there were very few HD tv's. TV manufacturers refused to produce and market HD tvs because there was no HD programming. Technology was at a stale mate. The government stepped in and forced the change and technology moved forward.
THe government offered coupons that most people would not take advantage of. How many people still watch tv with rabbit ear antennaes? Those who have cable or satelite don't need the converter box as the cable box acts as the converter. The converter only applies to over-the-air transmissions of local channels.
It's not a conspiracy theory, it's the government stepping in and forcing a change (it's a good thing in this case). They can do the same with cleaner vehicles (forcing a change to CNG). The point is, we CAN change if we want to. Where did you get the conspiracy theory from? Or are you referring to the moon landing?
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Foreign governments are taking ACTIVE roles in their quest for clean power. Australia is investing in technology harnessing power from waves; now that's just brilliant!
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Does anybody know where I can buy some "carbon credits" so I can run my calcium reactor some more?
My corals look like ****.
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My corals look like ****.
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Carbon credits are a crock! You're paying someone in a third world country that promises to not use x amount of power in a given day to balance out the power you're going to use on that day. Yeah, that sounds like it's going to work about as well as sending $500 to Nigeria so you can get your share of the $5M from a bank manager!
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Raj,did you not see these :lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:
I know its a crock!
Oh yea,I was lying about my corals, they are looking good with my new MRC skimmer I picked up from OZ the other night!!
I know its a crock!
Oh yea,I was lying about my corals, they are looking good with my new MRC skimmer I picked up from OZ the other night!!
Skriz;428796 wrote: Carbon credits are a crock! You're paying someone in a third world country that promises to not use x amount of power in a given day to balance out the power you're going to use on that day. Yeah, that sounds like it's going to work about as well as sending $500 to Nigeria so you can get your share of the $5M from a bank manager!
Since I have been in the biz we have gone from paying people to haul off used fry oil to breaking even to making some change to now (drum role please)..........getting a check for a couple hundred dollars a month for a company to haul it off to produce fuel and lube.
It's alot compared to the past and it helps offset fluctuating prices from everything else. Especially when gas was insane and the price of fry oil doubled for us. Flour went even higher, but beef stayed around the same area. Bonuses not so much
It's alot compared to the past and it helps offset fluctuating prices from everything else. Especially when gas was insane and the price of fry oil doubled for us. Flour went even higher, but beef stayed around the same area. Bonuses not so much
I realized when I got here to Belgium just how cheap even $4 a gal is...
1 gal= 3.7 Liters
1 Liter Diesel = 1.05 Euro
1 Liter Petrol = 1.70 Euro
1 Euro = $1.60
1.05x3.7x1.6= $6.216 Per gal.
1.70x3.7x1.6= $10.064 Per gal.
So next time you think about how much the price of gas sucks, think back to this. Thank God Im an American. (and driving a company vehicle)
Its very true. Once equipment is paid for, and assuming you get the UVO (Used Vegie Oil) for free, its more like 40 - 60 cents a gal. I want to do the conversion on my truck, just never put in the investment for the bed mounted tank, fuel lines, heater (UVO has to be around 130*F before it will burn as the only fuel) and the filtration for the UVO. It comes to around 5k investment, if I was driving my 250 enough to see my investment pay off I would have done it. Pump diesel is still required to run the truck until the UVO hits its temp mark, but that is what 5 maybe 10 gal a week? Like I keep saying, when it pays off, ill do it in a heartbeat.
Oddly, i think converting the newer Diesel motors is much more difficult and expensive. my 2000 F-250 will drink anything flammable just so long as it has a similar flash point. I cant remember what the % is but you can supplement around 10 to 15% of your fuel with UVO no mods on the 7.3 motor. I wish they would make it commercially available. There is One fuel station in the smyrna area that sells Biodiesel, but its far more expiensive that standard fuel.:doh:
Are you saying there is a way to mix 100+ octane and UVO to make a viable Bio diesel?
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