Good Idea? Or Bad Idea?

[smallblock]

MvM;663911 wrote: I have seen green cyano grow on "fresh dead" corals, but never HA. Honestly....

:up: Thats good man!!! Thats all I see of it is on the fresh dead I just don't worry about it you know. :confused2:

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MvM;663911 wrote: I have seen green cyano grow on "fresh dead" corals, but never HA. Honestly....

:up: Thats good man!!! Thats all I see of it is on the fresh dead I just don't worry about it you know. :confused2:

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LegalReefer;663912 wrote: Well Im going to use it anyways, i was just looking at what others think will come of it. Its only a 29 and Im only doing it to get my feet wet. Ill hope for the best, and expect the worst.

Go for it bro like he said its all about the nutrients. Just don't get stressed with it if something happens I don't think anyone has the perfect tank. It may be perfect to someone else but not the owner.

 

[cr500_af]

Smallblock;663905 wrote: I would disregard this statement, I think you will be ok. Another thing to point out here is whats on your clean up crew. This is where I got my mystery turf algae that no one can ID from. The bleaching will kill the stuff and as long as you dont put it back in there with something it wont show up. Green hair algae is another story IMO. Its pretty much LAW to me that your going to get some GHA no matter what you do. Its up to you if you let it get out of hand. IMHO its a natural part of a SWFT and cannot be avoided. So don't beat yourself up or get worried or waste time trying to figure out where it came from. no offense here Barry i just think the whole where did I get the GHA from thing is way over thought.

Edit: Another thing that needs to be considered is what you had may not have been bryposis, I remember Raj saying that he sent some stuff he knew was it to a lab for confirmation only to get news back that it was something different.

The algae came from somewhere. The rock is the only logical place.
I've had my 90 up for over two years and never a speck of it, so the theory that it's "law" doesn't work.

 

[ralph atl]

cr500_af;663916 wrote: The algae came from somewhere. The rock is the only logical place.
I've had my 90 up for over two years and never a speck of it, so the theory that it's "law" doesn't work.

I'm in agreement....again, after seeing my rock dried out for months only for maiden's fan come back...

brine shrimp eggs last how many years out of water?

 

[cr500_af]

I would have thought it came on a snail shell, but it arrived before the CUC.

Do I even want to go into the bristleworms</em> I found in there?

 

[grouper therapy]

Lets discuss why algae grows in some of our systems.
What does algae need to survive?

 

[sharkbait]

grouper therapy;663969 wrote: Lets discuss why algae grows in some of our systems.
What does algae need to survive?

Nutrients....and light...

 

[grouper therapy]

Sharkbait;663973 wrote: Nutrients....and light...

Correct. Now does the nutrient level have to be high?

 

[sharkbait]

grouper therapy;663976 wrote: Correct. Now does the nutrient level have to be high?

Initially yes, that is for bad forms of algae. Typically bad forms of algae need a decent amount of high nutrients to begin growth. Once the algae has formed basically all available nutrients need to be removed in order to remove the unwanted algae. However, once the form of undesired algae is present that particular algae can survive on very minimal levels of nutrients. This is why most people have a difficult problem with removing unwanted forms of algae, because they have to find the source of the nutrients that are being produced within the tank which is allowing the algae to continue to thrive.

 

[grouper therapy]

Incorrect Partially anyway. Algae can establish itself in low nutrient systems as well( first hand experience with that) . The first step is to stop adding nutrients to the system that cannot be removed fast enough by other exporting methods or devices to prevent the algae from utilizing them first.

Edit: The reason some get frustrated battling algae is that after they lower the nutrient levels in their system down to undetectable levels ,the algae remains. that is because the algae is helping to lower the levels .The nutrients are still being introduced. The introduction must be lower than the rate of usage or all things will remain the same. Kinda like trying to loose weight you gotta burn more than you take in(another first hand experience).

Edit: So far as introduction I can't imagine a method to guarantee 100% that it wouldn't happen.

 

[legalreefer]

So.... If the seeds are still there and at some point I do not remove as much nutirents as Im adding, its more than likely to come back?

 

[grouper therapy]

LegalReefer;664013 wrote: So.... If the seeds are still there and at some point I do not remove as much nutirents as Im adding, its more than likely to come back?

Or fast enough, then yes the possibility is there. Not necessarily probability.

 

[acroholic]

LegalReefer;663892 wrote: Im glad to hear someone has had success! I did use the Kent M.....

A quick question on the Tech M: did you use only Tech M to raise the mag levels, or did you use a different mag supplement to raise it up some, then Tech M the rest of the way, and to maintain it?

 

[legalreefer]

Acroholic;664059 wrote: A quick question on the Tech M: did you use only Tech M to raise the mag levels, or did you use a different mag supplement to raise it up some, then Tech M the rest of the way, and to maintain it?

I used only Tech M. I bought it by the gallon!

A taught..... What if you mircrowaved the rock?

 

[smallblock]

cr500_af;663916 wrote: The algae came from somewhere. The rock is the only logical place.
I've had my 90 up for over two years and never a speck of it, so the theory that it's "law" doesn't work.

Stop doing water changes and see if it magically shows up in your clean system then. Its there its just your not feeding it. IMHO

 

[grouper therapy]

LegalReefer;664063 wrote: I used only Tech M. I bought it by the gallon!

A taught..... What if you mircrowaved the rock?

I understand your wanting to be as safe as possilble but I think you would have to do a bowel flush on every fish you introduce as well reallyAlso what would prevent it from be transmitted by the water on the fish.

 

[legalreefer]

grouper therapy;664074 wrote: I understand your wanting to be as safe as possilble but I think you would have to do a bowel flush on every fish you introduce as well really what would prevent it from be transmitted by the water on the fish.

Nothing! It can come on a piece of coral, fish, invertes, etc. I just dont want it to come back from my rock. I have (what I feel) too much invested in the rock to throw it away.

 

[grouper therapy]

LegalReefer;664078 wrote: Nothing! It can come on a piece of coral, fish, invertes, etc. I just dont want it to come back from my rock. I have (what I feel) too much invested in the rock to throw it away.

How long has it been out of water?

 

[legalreefer]

grouper therapy;664080 wrote: How long has it been out of water?

its been dry after bleaching for 1.5 years.

 

[grouper therapy]

I think that should be sufficient for most things to die off . obviously the more you did to the rock to try and kill the algae or any spores that might be lingering would help but I don't think anyone could say for sure that you want get it from your rocks.Even if someone here did nuke ,bleach,boil or microwave there rock and did not get bryopsis again the evidence would merely be anecdotal.

 

[acroholic]

LegalReefer;664063 wrote: I used only Tech M. I bought it by the gallon!

People report once in a great while that they use Tech M for Bryopsis and it doesn't work for them. These are very few and far between, however. Tech M worked for me exactly as JohnR described earlier in this thread. I wonder if there are some bryopsis strains that don't respond to whatever is in Tech M that kills most others?