How to electricaly ground a tank in an apartment?

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<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Two questions... If I have a GFCI installed should I still have the tank grounded? (my thoughts are yes), and if that is the case, is the following a really good idea for those of use living in apartments where we can't make modifications or am I going to get myself killed? :unsure:</span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Could I get a 3 prong plug and just wire in the ground and seal off the hot and natural connections and then run the ground into the tank? Thoughts?</span></span>
 
You can get outlet strips that have built-in GFI's (home depot, lowes etc). If you are going to 'ground' your tank, get a off the shelf grounding probe that is ready to just pug into an outlet(most marine fish stores have these and can find them online, they are called grounding probes).

John
 
You DON'T want to ground a tank - all it does is close the circuit...
 
LilRobb;591635 wrote: You DON'T want to ground a tank - all it does is close the circuit...

I personally don't have mine grounded but some people feel it is necessary. That is debate for another thread.
 
Well not that I'm looking for a debate, but what are the basics of both sides? I've never done it for freshwater, but there is a whole lot more going on with my salt system.
 
A tank where all the equipment is working properly should not need to be grounded. Personally, I'd rather get a slight shock and know there is something wrong (bad power head or heater 99% of the time) than mask it with a grounded tank.
 
Bottom line is that-

1) You DO NOT want to ground a tank <u>unless</u> you know that you use a functional GFCI (also called a GFI) and all equipment in contact with the aquarium water is connected to that GFCI device.

2) If you do ground a tank and do not use a GFCI, then you stand the chance of your body completing the circuit to your now grounded tank without the GFCI to protect you (per Robb's point, above).

Many of us here in the ARC have succesfully maintained aquaria both grounded and ungrounded. I use a GFCI without a ground probe.

FWIW- It is not just the 120 volts and resulting current flow that will hurt you by causing burns. The 60 Hertz frequency of the A/C voltage can send your heart into fibrillation. That is what will KILL YOU. It's ironic that when Nikola Tesla invented alternating current he (and George Westinghouse, who licensed the patents) chose to standardize on 60 hertz (cycles per second), as that frequency is a particularly very bad thing for the heart. -JMHO
 
What ever you do, do NOT operate your tank without a GFI. If it weren't for one last year, my house might have burned to the ground.

John
 
http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34410">http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34410</a>
Here is some info you may find helpful.
 
strangepod;591657 wrote: What ever you do, do NOT operate your tank without a GFI. If it weren't for one last year, my house might have burned to the ground.

John

Every piece of equipment on all five of my tanks is GFCI protected.
 
Yeah, I am putting in a GFCI tomorrow, I just gotta figure out which outlet is first on the circuit. Its not the best setup as its only 15A and its one of the duel breakers with two lines stuck in one slot, but I don't own the place so there is only so much I can do.
 
Frantz;591743 wrote: Yeah, I am putting in a GFCI tomorrow, I just gotta figure out which outlet is first on the circuit. Its not the best setup as its only 15A and its one of the duel breakers with two lines stuck in one slot, but I don't own the place so there is only so much I can do.

Two wires in one breaker is illegal!

If you are replacing the outlet you can set it up so just that outlet is GFI, pigtail it. Just make sure you get the line side of the GFI, the load side is for everything else downstream, but if you pigtail it (and have that the only outlet as GFI) you won't need that(see pic below).

John
 
Frantz;591743 wrote: Yeah, I am putting in a GFCI tomorrow, I just gotta figure out which outlet is first on the circuit. Its not the best setup as its only 15A and its one of the duel breakers with two lines stuck in one slot, but I don't own the place so there is only so much I can do.

More info on 'double tapping' a breaker..

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Sorry I wasn't clear. It is a double breaker (two breakers on one slot). Used when all the slots are filled up and they are within code if installed AFTER a building is constructed to add breakers to a full box. I'm just not a fan of them.
 
From an engineer at Georgia Tech
Many folks drop a grounding probe in their tanks and connect it to a water pipe or the neutral in their wiring thereby creating a current path where one might otherwise NOT have existed. This is worse for the fish than a very localized current (short within a pump housing) or a static voltage. The Safety to the aquarist is a different issue. What about the use of Ground Fault Interrupters (GFI) to protect the aquarist?

Fuses and circuit breakers are too slow to protect one from shock . They protect equipment, not people. The GFI is electronic and faster (GFI = 10 ms). A grounding probe has to be used as a GFI reference before it will work properly. I use GFIs all over my system. It must be understood however that using GFIs on pumps and lights isn't necessarily going to stop detrimental currents in the aquarium.

For example, if one power head's hot lead (black wire) is exposed to the water and another power head's neutral lead (white wire) is exposed to the water, then there will be a current flow between them as well as any sea life that gets in the way. Lets say that both power heads were plugged into the same GFI. Since all the current coming in the black wire is going out the white wire (some through the power heads, some through the water and fish)... there is a balance, but an unhealthy one for the tank. The GFI would not trip. Adding a ground probe would cause the GFI to trip in this example.

Second example: If a GFI is used on the pumps and lights and there is a grounding probe in place, any "induced" voltage will cause a current through the water and out the ground probe. Light, heat, motion, and induced electrical currents all represent "consumed energy". The current into the "emitter" of these energies will be the same as the current going out of the emitter. The circuit is balanced and the GFI will not trip, but energy is still created in various forms which can be transmitted to the aquarium. Consider an improbable case that will illustrate this point.

Suppose I had a motor (like we'd find in a power head) and I supply it power from a GFI-protected source. Then I properly install a ground probe. Now lets say that I connected an electrical generator to the motor through an insulated mechanical coupling. When the motor is turned on, it turns the generator which in turn creates a voltage. I will then connect one side of the generator to ground and the other side to my aquarium water. What will happen? Current will flow through the aquarium and out the ground probe. Will the GFI detect this and trip? No, because even through its current results from the motor-driven generator's energy, the motor's lines remain balanced.

So now we have a system that can electrocute both the aquarist and the fish even though there is a properly installed GFI and ground probe. Were I to remove the ground probe, there would no longer be a current path affecting the fish (they are now the "birds on a wire"). The aquarist however, is still at risk if he touches the water and a ground.

In reality, induced voltages and currents will be small... so small that they are probably NOT an issue for the safety of the aquarist, but with a grounding probe present, they could be unhealthy for the fish and coral (and I suspect they probably are, since sea life has little insulation to mitigate the current flow through their bodies. I can't believe that a continuous current flowing through one's body would not cause havoc with cellular ion transport, not to mention the "jamming" of sensory organs).
 
grouper therapy;591670 wrote: http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34410">http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34410</a>
Here is some info you may find helpful.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for digging this up Grouper. My thoughts on this subject were stated more thoroughly in that thread, on page #2. -JMHO
 
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