I messed up something!

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My 29G refugium had gotten out of control with all kinds of algaes that were out-competing my chaeto which isn't necessarily a bad thing, however it is a lot harder to harvest than chaeto. I decided to totally redo it and start over, sort of. It had about 30lbs of live rock, lots of algaes, about 2" of sand, a few astreas, one purple spiney urchin and a large brittle star.

I removed all the rock from my 29G QT, took it off line and moved the snails, urchin and the small rock the brittle star was hiding in to it.

I then pulled all the rock from the refugium, pulled as much algae off of it as I could and since I don't want to use it in the refugium anymore, I started it soaking in a tub with bleach water. After adding an HOB filter to the refugium I stirred the sand and syphoned as much detritus as I could and pulled out all the water. After refilling it I added a few more inches of old sand that had been sitting in a bucket after rinsing it very well. After all the dust settled I syphoned the top layer again and did another 95% water change.

If you're still reading this, here is what I messed up, but I don't know how. The QT now has all the critters listed above, about an inch of sand, a Koralia 2 for flow and a stealth heater. The day after doing all this the urchin, which had been moving all around the tank, was in a corner with all the spines fallen off and clearly had died. I've had it for a few years and thought it must just be its time to go. Just to be safe, I immediately did a 50% water change and then tested the water I pulled out. Ammonia, Nitrites, and Nitrates are all zero, PH is 8.1, temp 77, and SG is 1.025.

This morning I found the brittle star out of the rock it was in, all the legs have fallen off in small pieces and even though it is not totaly dead I'm sure it will be very soon. The snails still seem to be OK though at least for now!

When I started this on Friday both the refugium and QT were flowing the same water as my 120G system. I shut off the returns for both and then started the work so the water is all still the same. I don't get it at all! I was going to open the valve to the QT to bring it back on line but now I'm afraid to.
 
oh man sorry to here the troubles.....

I am not sure what it could be, I did read it all......
 
Thanks! I just checked for voltage and get 2.4V which is about the same as my other system. The brittle star is still alive but it sure is sad to see him crawling along the bottom with no legs, just stumps.

I did another 50% water change.

Son of Adam;476551 wrote: oh man sorry to here the troubles.....

I am not sure what it could be, I did read it all......
 
I am very sad to hear this.

How's the phosphate level? Hope everything returns to normal soon.
 
I re-read your post several times. You didn't put new salt mix in it, right? If not, and this is a reach, but the water in the QT lost the benefits of the rock, algaes, and flow that were in your system. Maybe your critters were sensitive to the change. Or maybe some inadvertent contamination hit your QT. Tough one dude... sorry...
 
coolsurf;476606 wrote: I am very sad to hear this.

How's the phosphate level? Hope everything returns to normal soon.

I'm not sure about phosphates since I don't really trust the kits I have, but I doubt that they would be high enough to harm anything.

toeside;476610 wrote: I re-read your post several times. You didn't put new salt mix in it, right? If not, and this is a reach, but the water in the QT lost the benefits of the rock, algaes, and flow that were in your system. Maybe your critters were sensitive to the change. Or maybe some inadvertent contamination hit your QT. Tough one dude... sorry...

No new salt. The water in the QT was part of a 200 plus gallon system until I closed the return. I would think if the rock being taken out was an issue it would show up as amonia, nitrite or nitrate. I do the water changes in the QT by taking water out and refill with system water and then add new saltwater into the system.

The inadvertant contamination really worries me but I have no clue where it could have come from if that is what it is.

tnyga;476611 wrote: Could it be just the stress Bud??

This would be my preference, but in the case of the brittle star, I moved the rock with it in it so I wouldn't think it would have been stressed.

llewella;476633 wrote: Is the lighting and temp the same?

Temperature is the same but the lighting is different. The refugium had a single flourescent bulb that came on at night and the QT has a PC fixture that is on during the day, although since the star started losing pieces of its legs I've left the light off. The QT and the refugium sit right next to each other so both get ambient light from the flourescents in the basement during the day.
 
Echinoderms are sensitive to changes in pH and salinity - if you used system water this shouldn't have been an issue - but just for your own peace of mind, did you check the pH and SG of the tank they are in, versus what the system was at before you initiated the changes?

Jenn
 
JennM;476697 wrote: Echinoderms are sensitive to changes in pH and salinity - if you used system water this shouldn't have been an issue - but just for your own peace of mind, did you check the pH and SG of the tank they are in, versus what the system was at before you initiated the changes?

Jenn

Yes, nothing has changed from that aspect. It was all the same water on Friday and I've been doing the water changes using the system water so any difference would really be slight. I'll get some of the poly filter pads to check for any toxins that may have gotten in there somehow.
 
Budsreef;476709 wrote: Yes, nothing has changed from that aspect. It was all the same water on Friday and I've been doing the water changes using the system water so any difference would really be slight. I'll get some of the poly filter pads to check for any toxins that may have gotten in there somehow.


I like the idea of poly filter pads. You never know what might have been stirred up and entered into the system. I do wish you the best in this situation.
 
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