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So,

I hear this is RX only, correct?

How would I determine the dossage?
I read that one salifert spoon (?) treats 32gals - but of which pill size?

I have about 150gal total watervolume to treat right now - just in case someone has a left over and would like to tell me where he threw it away, I would never ask for RX medications without a prescription... :doh:
(PMs please)

Also, and by <u>PM ONLY</u> maybe someone knows a doc that has heard about the effects of Inteceptor on Redbugs and is open for discussions...



Robb

PS: I hope I worded this carefully enough not to cause a flaming debate...
 
I talked with my vet and I could not get any without bringing in my dog for a check-up which would cost me $$. But I do have a good friend who's wife is a Vet and helped me out with my problem. I have heard from some members that there vet took care of them without a problem. You will have to have a good relationship with your vet for a few years probly in order to con them into it.
 
ares;450854 said:
Im not certain if this is the same, if I found the right thing your talking about

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=1461">http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=1461</a>

that looks like a preventative pill, AFAIK the interceptor we want is a treatment after the fact...[/quot

Is it the same? I have never bought interceptor. It's good to know. Anyway, I think that without Veterinarian info, they wouldn't allow you to order
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There is nothing wrong with discussing Interceptor, we just don't talk about illegal means for obtaining it, like buying it from another individual. Doing that is against Forum Rules. I got tagged for doing that last year in an Interceptor discussion.

Interceptor is Rx only, and can be obtained thru a Veterinarian or by Mail Order with a Prescription from a Veterinarian. Vets in Georgia can prescribe Interceptor for off label use at their discretion.

I got mine from from the Vet that takes care of my dogs. I explained why I needed it for and he sold it to me.
Dave
 
Thanks,

now back to the DOSING info - my vet will prescribe the yellow ones (11.5mg/Milbemycin oxime tablet)

How do I figure what to dose in my 150gals of saltwater?

Robb
 
The large breed pills treat about 380 gallons, so half that dosage (one of your pills) will do 200 gallons. Just use one pill per treatment. You cannot overdose this stuff. You should have minimal or no loss of small crustaceans and no loss of larger ones like shrimp with this. You need to remember that most medication dosage is based on mg per kg of body weight. So think of the weight of a redbug vs the weight of a cleaner shrimp or even a hermit crab or a larger copepod. A hermit has to weigh hundreds of times the weight of a 1/75th of an inch long redbug.

The statement that you'll lose all your crabs and shrimps originated from those that nuke their systems with an obscene overdose of Interceptor, when using the above schedule kills them and does not harm larger crustaceans in your system, including larger copepods.

And IME, one treatment takes care of them. Just remove any GAC or similar media, and make sure water circulates everywhere it normally goes when you are not treating for redbugs so everything gets exposed to the medicine.
Dave
 
Acroholic;450923 wrote: The large breed pills treat about 380 gallons, so half that dosage (one of your pills) will do 200 gallons. Just use one pill per treatment. You cannot overdose this stuff. You should have minimal or no loss of small crustaceans and no loss of larger ones like shrimp with this. You need to remember that most medication dosage is based on mg per kg of body weight. So think of the weight of a redbug vs the weight of a cleaner shrimp or even a hermit crab or a larger copepod. A hermit has to weigh hundreds of times the weight of a 1/75th of an inch long redbug.

The statement that you'll lose all your crabs and shrimps originated from those that nuke their systems with an obscene overdose of Interceptor, when using the above schedule kills them and does not harm larger crustaceans in your system, including larger copepods.

And IME, one treatment takes care of them. Just remove any GAC or similar media, and make sure water circulates everywhere it normally goes when you are not treating for redbugs so everything gets exposed to the medicine.
Dave
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Yep that is correct. The white pill will do 400g, the yellow will do 200g the little brown ones will do around 40g
 
I don't think you can overdose this stuff unless you are really fond of your shrimp or carbs. If you are just fish them out first.

I had great luck in my tank using it. I would suggest using the product twice a week apart from eachother and overdose the funk out of it.
 
I was told that research on these guys had shown they don't have an egg stage.

The reason you can kill larger crustaceans on the 2nd or 3rd dose is that they are probably hurt or irritated some by the first dose, but not killed. The second dose hurts them enough to kill some or all of them, and the third dose is the death blow to any that survived the second dose. One dose is really all that is needed, IME.

Interceptor is one treatment where more is not necessarily better. Enough is best, at least IME.
 
I don't see any adverse effect on doing a second dose. The whole reason you are doing it is to get rid of those bugs. Might as well make sure.
 
ares;451043 wrote: to some extend, the treatment is largely untested. we have limited knowledge of the true biological effects of this treatment, particularly long term. my gut reaction is, minimal, still less is more IMO.

this is, at very least, unpleasant to invertibrates, and that includes pod population which can be severely decreased during treatment, and less is known about potential effect on bacteria.

all the same, it appears to be relatively safe, but I would still dose with caution. IMO its really a tradeoff, if 1 dose does end up being incomplete, you could have relapse, not the end of the world though, just dose again. If I had it to do again, I probably would have just dosed once.
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I agree. Its not going to hurt to throw a 200g pill in 180g but extreme overdosing would not be recommended IMHO. Just grind up enough to do the tank, throw it in before you go to bed then wake up redbug free. Do a 25% waterchange and start running carbon again. Everybody says to shut off the air on your skimmer also but leave the pump running just so every bit of water gets treated.
 
Chemically_Balanced;451009 wrote: I don't see any adverse effect on doing a second dose. The whole reason you are doing it is to get rid of those bugs. Might as well make sure.
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Use of the dosage recommened will kill the RBs but leave most of your curstaceans and larger pods unharmed, at least IME. Why kill your livestock when you don't have to, is what I am saying.
 
Acroholic;450998 wrote: I was told that research on these guys had shown they don't have an egg stage.

The reason you can kill larger crustaceans on the 2nd or 3rd dose is that they are probably hurt or irritated some by the first dose, but not killed. The second dose hurts them enough to kill some or all of them, and the third dose is the death blow to any that survived the second dose. One dose is really all that is needed, IME.

Interceptor is one treatment where more is not necessarily better. Enough is best, at least IME.
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Correct. The original multi-dose suggestion was made prior to research on the Tegastes sp. red bugs. They have since been determined to be live bearing, without a demersal egg distribution. A second dose wont "hurt", but really has no more purpose than a third, fourth, fifth, etc dose.
 
Tank is treated - keep your fingers crossed that this will help w my acro problems.
Instead of a waterchange I will transfer my corals to a separate system and dump the entire old water.

Robb
 
LilRobb;451194 wrote: Tank is treated - keep your fingers crossed that this will help w my acro problems.
Instead of a waterchange I will transfer my corals to a separate system and dump the entire old water.

Robb
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Robb,
I just ran new GAC the next day and skipped the massive waterchange.
Dave
 
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