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I found this on another site while doing some research and thought I would share.

Take your time to research and find the best instructor in your area. Next, take time to complete the course. A good course will last several weeks. Don't rush this, it's something your children can spend the rest of their lives enjoying. Keep in mind there are excellent instructors in all agencies. An excellent instructor in an agency with low standards can teach a class that is better than one you would receive from a poor instructor in an agency with higher standards. It will be rare, but it happens. I would suggest asking a few questions of the instructors you might consider hiring.

How do I find an above average course and how will I know I've found it?

Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

Questions to ask the instructors:

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should usually be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using certified assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.

Do you dive for fun or just when you are teaching? Instructors who've stopped diving for fun are burned out.

Questions to ask yourself:

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.

I am no expert and I cannot endorse this opinion, but it does come from a real expert who has spent over a decade training and is considered one of the top notch trainers in the south. Food for thought.
 
Interesting article and as an instructor for 2 different organizations 1 being the worlds largest and another a much smaller agency can see many good points a bad points in this article. For background I have been instructing for 10 years both with a shop whom I was their lead instructor and as an indepenent. I like the idea of the shop due to the fact you have better access to equipment, pool time and most dive stores will carry diver insurance (ie:DAN) that will cover the student during their training period. Having said that I will admit I now do most of my instructing as an idependent but then again over the past 10 or so years I have aquired enough gear to put 8 or more people in the water with quality equipment. You will find good instructors are Patient and will take the time to get their students comfortable in the water and make sure they have mastered the skills required to pass your open water certification and begin your life of scuba diving. The term panic diving is a term I do not like as it brings the wrong conotation and 90% of the skills you are taught in the pool and open water enviroment are dealing with problems that could cause panic if these skills are not mastered. Remember an open water certification is a license dive once you have that you then really learn how to dive. Just as aquiring your drivers license didn't mean you were an expert driver but you now had the legal authority to learn how to really drive. I encourage anyone who wants to start diving to plan on taking more than just their open water course but work your way thru advanced certifications and onto at least a rescue diver certification.
 
Maybe I have read one too many articles lately on "panic mistakes", but I think panic is very real. I take panic very seriously right behind stupidity on my list of ways to become severely injured or die when doing potentially hazardous recreational activities. I have seen my fair share of motorcycle wrecks caused by panic. Course some people define panic different than me, but when someone becomes frightened and makes irrational decisions I personally think that is panic.

IMO, the only cure (and it really isn't a cure more of a conditioning) for panic... practice, practice, practice. Calling panic something else or simply ignoring it IMO doesn't address a potentially lethal condition especially with people who have a propensity towards anxiety.

Actually, I have really been surprised going through the training manuals the total lack of discussion on this topic. Personally, I would welcome an instructor going over this subject if I weren't already fairly educated on it. I like to know what I am getting myself into and this seems like a very real issue for a lot of people.

Again all IMO.
 
wmboots;276165 wrote: Interesting article and as an instructor for 2 different organizations 1 being the worlds largest and another a much smaller agency can see many good points a bad points in this article. For background I have been instructing for 10 years both with a shop whom I was their lead instructor and as an indepenent. I like the idea of the shop due to the fact you have better access to equipment, pool time and most dive stores will carry diver insurance (ie:DAN) that will cover the student during their training period. Having said that I will admit I now do most of my instructing as an idependent but then again over the past 10 or so years I have aquired enough gear to put 8 or more people in the water with quality equipment. You will find good instructors are Patient and will take the time to get their students comfortable in the water and make sure they have mastered the skills required to pass your open water certification and begin your life of scuba diving. The term panic diving is a term I do not like as it brings the wrong conotation and 90% of the skills you are taught in the pool and open water enviroment are dealing with problems that could cause panic if these skills are not mastered. Remember an open water certification is a license dive once you have that you then really learn how to dive. Just as aquiring your drivers license didn't mean you were an expert driver but you now had the legal authority to learn how to really drive. I encourage anyone who wants to start diving to plan on taking more than just their open water course but work your way thru advanced certifications and onto at least a rescue diver certification.
:up: I have been diving for 14 years. I have acheived the Assis. Instr. rating. Dive Master is what I have chosen to stay with though.
Do your homework and take your time to really "learn" to dive. After your certification, take a few dives to acheive your new diver comfort level with out your trainer. Go to Florida for a weekend and hit the gulf or something you feel comfortable diving. Then, tak a few more SCUBA classes to build your confidence,get you more in-depth information, and refine your skills. I aslo recommend acheiving atleast Advanced Open Water and if possible, Stress & Rescue Diver certification. I have worked in house for 2 major certification agencies and concur with his statements:thumbs: SCUBA Diva "Kill Nothing But time, Take Nothing But Pictures, Leave Nothing But Bubbles!"
 
Cameron,
If you re-read my what I posted I was not trivializing panic or calling something else or ignoring it. I stated that 90% of the skills you learn in the pool and in open water environments deal with issues that could cause a person to panic. As you stated practice, practice, practice and that is the only way you will become confident and competent enough to become a good diver and that takes more than just taking an open water certification course. One of the reasons you will not find much or hear much from an instructor or even hear an instructor mention the word panic is the fact that there are people out there who would not think about panic but just this subject being mentioned can trigger exactly that problem and potentially that reaction in the water. What I think you are trying to find or are asking for is an instructor who is going to take the time to teach a person how not to panic and become a confident/competent diver during an open water certification. As I stated open water certification is just the beginning and don't take this wrong but what you are looking for I believe is someone to be a diving mentor more than an open water instructor. I have been a mentor for several divers and believe me if I would have charged for the instruction/time required in an open water course to bring them to the level you seem to be looking for it would have cost thousands for my time, pool time and boat fees to make them the divers they are and then they would have completed way more than open water certification. I could go on and on about this subject but this isn't the forum to discuss it if you want you are welcome to send me an email and we can discuss what you are trying to achieve. In closing I will say that I have witnessed divers with years in the water not hours but years lose it and panic.
 
I almost did at 80 feet in Pelham......It was viz of like 4 feet at best, trying to get down to the clear water..than BAM..Vertigo....mild panic set in.....but training and practice i recollected myself, evaluated the situation and surfaced.......so panic happens to all divers in some degree. It's how you handle your panic that let's you dive another day.

you wil be fine, and I can also help you anytime....I am not an Instructor like Mr. Boots, but I am a Dive master with a few hours under the water :)
 
This is one of those subjects that instructors try to feel their way through, based as much on the tenor and comfort of the class as on the experience level of the divers. I don't want to scare anyone away from diving, because a lot of people master their fear and become excellent divers, but there is a lot of bad stuff that can happen very quickly. I work hard with OW (open water) students to teach them how to handle themselves in a lot of different circumstances.

Make no mistake: diving can be a dangerous sport, especially if you start cutting corners.

Even when well trained, as noted in the post about Pelham, sometimes the fear response can be overwhelming. The certifying agency I teach for stresses equipment and skill mastery. It is not enough to be able to perform a skill once, but you need to be able do it when other things are going on as well.

That is one of the reasons we stress Continuing Ed so much in my classes. I use the analogy of a teenager with a driver's license. Okay, we've taught you how to drive, and warned you about certain dangers. But even though you have a license, I don't recommend you jump on 285 right away. Experience is the best teacher. Take some more classes before you start Indy racing.

For the original poster, you definitely sound like a candidate for Rescue Diver. We begin teaching you how to save yourself in OW, but it is really in the Rescue Diver class that you get a broad approach to how to handle different scenarios, including that of the diver in panic.

Good luck, and please feel free to always email with questions.
 
Not talking about the quary in Pelham are you? I used to go swimming there all the time. Never really knew how deep it was...
 
scuab do,
well said about rescue diver, I stress with all students to continue with training thru rescue diver because in open water and advanced diver you are learning to take care of yourself but in rescue diver you are learning to take care of your buddy too. Plus the more time you are spending with your instructor and divemaster the more time you are getting to dive with seasoned divers whom you can emulate. PROVIDING they are good instructors and divemasters.
 
O.K. I've really never cared too much for diving. The dive boats would just come up and anchor right on top of us when we were fishing. And for some reason it doesn't matter who was there first the divers are allowed to move in on the fishermen. Nothing against divers just had to throw that out. If I ran a dive boat I would not do that. Anyway, I don't get to do much fishing anymore and I would really like to learn to dive. Anyone here know anyone in Marietta area? I know there are plenty of dive shops around just looking for one a member my be familiar with.
 
au01st;276825 wrote: Not talking about the quary in Pelham are you? I used to go swimming there all the time. Never really knew how deep it was...



Most certainly am... The deepest I have been was I believe 139 feet, I here there are spot deeper..like 160 ish...
 
LeeS;276881 wrote: I would really like to learn to dive. Anyone here know anyone in Marietta area? I know there are plenty of dive shops around just looking for one a member my be familiar with.

Hi Lee, I work out of a dive shop that has locations in Marietta and Doraville, and have taught a couple of ARC members. Email me if you want details (I'm not certain if it is cool to mention brand names on this board or not.)
 
Are we talking about suicide divers oh I mean divers supply, just joking but you do know that is the rep of divers supply. Great people good prices but you weren't exactly known for qualitity training a few years back and of course that can change with someone making sure standards are adhered too. Actually started my diving there.
 
scubadubado,
just thought I would mention the name brand for you. Used to teach for an ole crumudgeon up the road from you in marietta for more years than I care to admit too.
 
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