LFS going extinct?

Well, it seems to me more are opening then there are closing. At least here in the Atl area. Word is there maybe a new one popping up soon.

I get 98% of everything from LFS. Other stuff I get either from an Online Dealer, ARC, or CL (in the beginning).
 
I am a little late to the party but I have to get most of my equipment online. I would say 95% of my equipment I purchased online. As far as livestock goes I would say it is 70% from other ARC members and 30% from a sponsor. I just cannot drive two hours to buy everything from our sponsors. If I could I would but that is not very practical for someone at my location. I wish someone up north would open up a decent LFS here. If anyone is ever thinking about it let me know!
 
Yep, I am. Much better than some alternatives, that's for sure :)
 
MC524;894911 wrote: Well, it seems to me more are opening then there are closing. At least here in the Atl area.

Marine Designs
Reefworks
Imagine Ocean

Three notables that were sponsors. I don't know about the non sponsor stores as I don't shop any of them. I rooting for those that are left but with an ever over growing tank, I find myself bringing more stuff TO the LFS than I'm taking away.
 
All 3 of those did not go out of business, but left for other reasons, mainly to go after different ventures. Big difference in my opinion.

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Marine Designs went to a maintenance-only business model. They're still very busy - Mike is Brian's cousin. They/we have other interests on the go too. They left the retail end because it made more sense for them.

Didn't Reefworks close because the owner was moving? Again - that's 'other' reasons, not lack of business.

There's a healthy customer base in metro Atlanta - in spite of internet sales and such. It kept me going for over 11 years, even in a less-than-ideal location.

Treat customers right, they keep coming back. That's a rule that has always existed. It's more important now, than ever before, because of the larger variety of options available to the consumer.

In my experience, MOST people still prefer a face-to-face interaction, they prefer to have it now when they decide they want it, and they prefer a relationship with their retailer, versus a point-and-click, anonymous transaction.

Jenn
 
JennM;896213 wrote:

Treat customers right, they keep coming back. That's a rule that has always existed. It's more important now, than ever before, because of the larger variety of options available to the consumer.

This is my #1 reason to shop local. #2 is because I want the local economy to thrive which helps us all.

I don't mind spending a little extra for those reasons. In addition, by the time you add the shipping it usually isn't cheaper ordering on line. Unless you can order enough to get the free shipping. For those who can only dedicate a little cash at any given moment that is not a good option.




I am going on a cruise.....on my lawnmower around my yard.
 
Gone is still gone. Dead is still dead. And when all of something is dead, it's extinct. Not sure what relevance an individual's motives have to do with the end result, but the end result is all that matters.
If the juice was worth the squeeze, they wouldn't "choose" to close.
 
Seth The Wine Guy;674049 wrote: So how much longer do you really think they'll be around? As the market becomes more competitive and online retailers become more trustworthy, I don't see how there is any long-term viability for the current business models most commonly found.
They were once the only source for livestock, trustworthy advice, or information in years past. But, with knowledge no longer being a hard to find commodity, they loose the one thing that had previously made them indispensable. The internet has changed everything.

Your initial post in this thread implied that the presence of e-commerce would be the reason that LFS go extinct. I disagree.

I'm not closing because of competition from the Internet. Neither did Marine Designs, or several other shops whose ownership I've been acquainted with.

LFS survived before the Internet. I don't think e-tailers can survive with out LFS. Nobody decides to start a reef tank by buying it all from an e-tailer (or very few do).

This has been discussed many times on industry-related newsgroups - I don't have time to go into all the minutia of it now, I have a busy work day ahead :) Suffice it to say that e-tail has caused brick and mortars to change the way they do some things. Those who don't move with the times, FAIL. There is a difference between failing, and opting to close and do something else.

In my case, I don't think I've failed. I ran a reputable business for over 11 years - plenty of folks seem to agree, based on the amount of posts, phone calls, and messages I've received. I've chosen to take a window of opportunity to exit this industry and move on to something else.

You're right insofar as "dead is dead" - once it's gone, it is gone, regardless of the reasons - but there is a difference in whether a business goes away because the ownership *chooses* to, or is *forced* to - regardless of what that circumstance is.

Just my 2 cents from the other side of the counter :)

Jenn
 
Seth The Wine Guy;896222 wrote: Gone is still gone. Dead is still dead. And when all of something is dead, it's extinct. Not sure what relevance an individual's motives have to do with the end result, but the end result is all that matters.
If the juice was worth the squeeze, they wouldn't "choose" to close.

Very well said
 
Here is still here. Alive is alive. When new lfs are opened extinction doesn't exists. I am pretty sure there are more LFS now that when I started in the hobby 10 years ago. Perhaps the fruit is sweeter from a different tree for some, that doesn't deem the previous tree unfruitful. While the reason for the closure of a few LFS may not affect the outcome of those closures it does perhaps have a bearing on the logical decision making process of those who are contemplating starting one. So the motives can have an impact.
 
grouper therapy;896283 wrote: I am pretty sure there are more LFS now that when I started in the hobby 10 years ago.

Oh? I'm pretty sure the Petco's and Petsmart's of the world have actually decreased the total number. (Not even taking the online stores into the equation.) When I had my first reef tank in 1993 I worked at a LFS to learn and supplement my hobby as a teenager. I would LFS crawl for a full day and never make it north of Ashley's Pet in Dunwoody before my day was done starting in Peachtree City. There were stores everywhere. Just about every strip mall, major mall, and shopping center had a LFS it seemed. But, neither one of us has presented actual documentable facts to back up our "pretty sure" statements. So, I'll defer to the facts at hand while the LFS closings continue...
 
Seth The Wine Guy;896298 wrote: Oh? I'm pretty sure the Petco's and Petsmart's of the world have actually decreased the total number. (Not even taking the online stores into the equation.) When I had my first reef tank in 1993 I worked at a LFS to learn and supplement my hobby as a teenager. I would LFS crawl for a full day and never make it north of Ashley's Pet in Dunwoody before my day was done starting in Peachtree City. There were stores everywhere. Just about every strip mall, major mall, and shopping center had a LFS it seemed. But, neither one of us has presented actual documentable facts to back up our "pretty sure" statements. So, I'll defer to the facts at hand while the LFS closings continue...
I'll defer to the fact that some have opened as well. So if for you the three closings at hand constitutes a "logical" means of predicting the future of LFS then I will graciously bow out of this discussion a I can not process that. Spock out.
 
Seth The Wine Guy;896318 wrote: I love Spock. He was a great number 2. Kirk out.
Spot on there Mr president! Oops my bad I mean Mr VICE president. Number 2 isn't too bad anyway. I never had the brains ,nose or lips to be number 1.
 
I think one thing we would both agree on is that it's sad day for our community to loose a LFS owner like Jenn. I hope our lose is her gain.
 
Seth The Wine Guy;896377 wrote: I think one thing we would both agree on is that it's sad day for our community to loose a LFS owner like Jenn. I hope our lose is her gain.
Agreed!!!
 
seth the wine guy;896377 wrote: i think one thing we would both agree on is that it's sad day for our community to loose a lfs owner like jenn. I hope our lose is her gain.

+1
 
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