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Hello! Hoping to get some advice...

I have a 65g with T5 lights and am pretty happy with it. My corals are doing well, not growing as fast as I would like but doing good.

I just bought a 90g that came with Odyssea, metal halide lighting. My concern with this is; the costs of replacement bulbs and the heat it will put out. I am trying to decide whether to keep these or go to led or maybe even the T5 like on the 65g.

Any advice?
 
Hmm tough call.

A lot of things effect metal halides. Heat, bulb, and ballast.

Different ballasts will power the bulbs at different wattages.

Different bulbs have a different spectral analysis and all have a different look.

The heat of the ballast and bulb will effect the efficiency that it runs, and what color it runs.

I prefer single ended halides over HQI. I currently have a sfiligoi fixture with a 400w radium powered by and icecap ballast. There are 4x24" t5 that I use 460nm bulbs for accent color. I LOVE the look.

I'd probably stay away from LEDs unless you supplement them with halide or t5.

Just t5 alone are pretty good if you have enough bulbs, an efficient ballast, and change them frequently enough.
 
I'm not sure why Ripped Tide says to stay away from LED's but here's my 2-cents worth. I was a die hard MH guy for many years. Loved the way it made the tank look but it came with many issues. Most RT has already stated and frankly, I just got tired of fighting the issues. I went to T5 and while that was ok, it took a good number of bulbs to get the same affect and thereby created many of the same issues that MH presented. Finally I went to LED and frankly, I've gotten more color and growth since going to LED than I did with either of the two previous setups and with considerably less hassle and upkeep costs. My corals all seem to be extremely happy and I'm smiling because now I don't need a chiller, don't have a higher utility bill, don't have to replace bulbs annually and therefore have more funds to spend on this hobby or other things.

Again, just my opinion.
 
PA - what kind of led do you have? I have seen different ones and have been told that not all are enough - probably what RT was meaning when he said supplement with T5 or MH.

Thanks,
Sinbad


porpoiseaquatics;789736 wrote: I'm not sure why Ripped Tide says to stay away from LED's but here's my 2-cents worth. I was a die hard MH guy for many years. Loved the way it made the tank look but it came with many issues. Most RT has already stated and frankly, I just got tired of fighting the issues. I went to T5 and while that was ok, it took a good number of bulbs to get the same affect and thereby created many of the same issues that MH presented. Finally I went to LED and frankly, I've gotten more color and growth since going to LED than I did with either of the two previous setups and with considerably less hassle and upkeep costs. My corals all seem to be extremely happy and I'm smiling because now I don't need a chiller, don't have a higher utility bill, don't have to replace bulbs annually and therefore have more funds to spend on this hobby or other things.

Again, just my opinion.
 
i got rid of my led and got a sfiligoi mh/t5 also. these lights are the shiz!!! i do miss the way the colors pop under leds, but i dont have a problem keeping my tank cool like most people say. i have 350 watts(250w halide and 96w t5) over a 45 gallon tank and it never gets over 80
 
Let me see if I can dig up an old post I made a few months ago.... It's a lot to re type, so copy and paste is my friend. Basically had to do with vitamin d, calcium absorption, and UV.



MustangCaleb;789751 wrote: i got rid of my led and got a sfiligoi mh/t5 also. these lights are the shiz!!! i do miss the way the colors pop under leds, but i dont have a problem keeping my tank cool like most people say. i have 350 watts(250w halide and 96w t5) over a 45 gallon tank and it never gets over 80

I mainly keep sps, and let me tell you this, the results were phenomenal!
:thumbs:!!! Same here with the temp. I DO have a fan near the tank, but the temp still stays around 78-79
 
If you're keeping sps... MH and or t5 are a MUCH more proven way to success than led at this point


;)
 
Ok, here is the write up I did for another member when he asked about bulb change, or switch to LED.


If you are considering performance alone, I think LEDs have a ways to go before they are ready for long term sps.

I guess it depends on what is important to you.

The way I look at it:

I made a conscious desicion to keep these animals as pets. Considering it is next to impossible to replicate conditions found on a reef, I feel it is my duty to try to get as close as possible, yet still making the aquarium a pleasurable experiance.

I considered my choice to try LEDs a selfish choice. I was fascinated with heat reduction and energy efficiency. When it came down to the health of the coral, I would say it seemed mediocre.

These animals cannot choose which light the owner of the aquarium chooses, but they will respond differently to different light sources.

My logic: if I need a full balanced meal every day to sustain life, what quality of living would I have if I was only provided with one of the food groups?

For instance, let's use dairy. Dairy is a readily available resource, it's cheap, and easily renewed.... But how many bulls do you see leaning down to take a sip? Zero. That's because the fats and proteins found in cow's milk are designed for a baby cow.

Many adult humans develope a lactose intolerance. This Is because our bodies were designed to only need the proteins and fats found Milk during infancy. Over time, and with the popularity of milk, humans have evolved to have tolerance to lactose even as an adult. This is something that is passed down genetically.

In cultures from the east that don't drink cow's milk, they would get terribly sick if they drank milk. Drinking milk is not part of their culture, and many of them have never had cow's milk.

If these people from the east suddenly substituted one of their food groups for dairy, how do you think their body would handle the change?

I wonder what response you would recieve if you asked the GA aquarium about whale sharks' ability to adapt to a diet that is not natural to them.

Where an I going with this information?

Though living things have the ability to adapt to new environments, it takes a long time.

In my experience with LEDs, some corals took off in growth, others did nothing. I took some of the corals that looked bad, and put them in conditions that were way less then ideal, but had t5 lighting. Every single coral made a recovery.

With pristine water conditions, and ample amounts of food, why would these corals do poorly? Why did they make a complete turn around when moved to a more polluted environment? Were the lights the key factor? Maybe, I don't know for sure.

What I do know is that the human body needs vitamin d in order to absorb calcium. Without enough vitamin D, one can’t form enough of the hormone calcitriol (known as the “active vitamin D”). This in turn leads to insufficient calcium absorption from the diet. In this situation, the body must take calcium from its stores in the skeleton, which weakens existing bone and prevents the formation of strong, new bone.


Our bodies get vitamin D from three ways: our skin, diet, and supplements.

Corals derive most of their vitamin d from the uv spectrum of the sun and diet. Taking away a crucial source of vitamin d probably slows the ability for the animal to absorb calcium. This Is why I believe that the LEDs that are marketed today are not able to produce the results(for SPS) that the other methods of lighting yield.
 
Fwiw-
Dylan the wavelength that produces vitamin D is around 290 nM. This is not produced easily and is absorbed by glass (one reason why 70+% of humans are deficient).

I do not know this for a fact, but strongly suspect that our tank lights produce an insignificant amount of it.

Why?

Research indicates that plankton produce almost all of the vitamin D required by marine life. It gets passed up the food chain.

I suggest supplementing with it (in food) using the liquid gel cap form of the vitamin available OTC.

I agree with the rest of your premise and have felt so for a long time.
 
ichthyoid;789770 wrote: Fwiw-
Dylan the wavelength that produces vitamin D is around 290 nM. This is not produced easily and is absorbed by glass (one reason why 70+% of humans are deficient).

I do not know this for a fact, but strongly suspect that our tank lights produce an insignificant amount of it.

Why?

Research indicates that plankton produce almost all of the vitamin D required by marine life. It gets passed up the food chain.

I suggest supplementing with it (in food) using the liquid gel cap form of the vitamin available OTC.

I agree with the rest of your premise and have felt so for a long time.



Thanks for the input! Might be time for an aquarium company to market "LED TRACE" lol!!!!
 
Thank you for the advice, you have pretty much confirmed what I was thinking. The LEDs are more cost efficient, but maybe not for right now.

I do have some SPS which are currently doing well, that is one reason I was hesitant to go to LED.

What about T5 vs MH? I have some pretty good fans on the 48" MH that is on the 90g, but am still worried about the heat. Also, how often should bulbs be replaced?

Thanks again everyone for chiming in :-)
 
Here is what is with the 90g:
Odyssea 48" with 2 x 250 watt metal halides, 4 T5 HO actinics, and 6 LED moonlights
the 2 ballasts are new (or supposed to be)

Any feedback or thoughts on this?
 
sinbad;789738 wrote: PA - what kind of led do you have? I have seen different ones and have been told that not all are enough - probably what RT was meaning when he said supplement with T5 or MH.

Thanks,
Sinbad

I have an eShine Cree 4G on a simulator for true daylight conversion and I also have a dimmable just like the member modified units except I special ordered mine. I do keep some SPS, LPS, zoos, plays,mushrooms, acros, and clams without any issues. Most LEDs today can be built with custom spectrums.
 
i run all leds and im thrilled with them.my livestock is mostly acropora and the color and growth is great.
dont be so quick to say leds arent right for you.
 
reeferman;789838 wrote: i run all leds and im thrilled with them.my livestock is mostly acropora and the color and growth is great.
dont be so quick to say leds arent right for you.

you did diy leds, right?
 
yeah.108 3w cree over my 120g
72 premium royal blue cree xpe
24 white cree xpe
12 high noon cree xte
all controlled and dimmed individually with rke and alcs
rb-11hrs a day ramp from 0-80% max
whites-9 hrs a day ramp 0-65% max
high noons-4 hrs a day ramp 0-70% max
i love the controllability with them.every day my reef goes from deep blue to about 12k and back again with every spectrum in between and i appreciate the varying looks of the reef at different times of the day.its much more realistic in my minds eye.
im completely happy with them.that being said,i am adding 2 giesemann pure actinics t5s just to see if a little uv helps.more so because im a tinkerer and not because im dissatisfied with the leds.if im not tinkering with something,i get bored[i knowADHD]but i cant help it!
 
I think you had the right idea with DIY. I don't think that most the fixtures sold can give full coverage for every aquarium.
 
me either.i believe a properly laid out diy build outperforms most factory builds.
when comparing mh,t5 vs leds,you have to compare apples to apples.most people want to compare Galaxy ballasts,lumenbrite elite reflectors and radium bulbs[all higher end equipment]against cheaper made led fixtures instead of high quality leds,drivers and proper ratios[at least 2/1].
i agree,its hard to beat mh,but leds have their place in the arena as well,even for us die hard stick heads!
 
i did but i never updated it.i think i put finished pics in my build thread,im not sure.i have some in photobucket so i know i still have them.heres the unfinished thread
showthread.php
 
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