Matrix and de-nitrate instead of sand or mud

He lives a few minutes from me. If things go south I'll save his coral lol. Regardless of the method, I am more interested in the outcome. Ideally it goes well and leads to a new tread. Worst scenario... Well be happy someone else had the guys to try so you don't have to.
 
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Thanh386;707002 wrote: Dylan's

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Long term - looks to be a detritus trap.

an interesting setup would be to place the matrix on a tray with open space under it - water would flow through it and thus, little to no settling of detritus
 
Filter socks will pull out the larger stuff before it can get there, and I will only feed that tank once or twice a week.
 
Sand is a smaller particle. The flow created from this particular filter design kicks sand up into the water column from time to time. When/if it makes it's way over the baffle, it will get sucked into the pump. My DT will have black sand and I don't want white blending in. Another thing is that I want to protect the life span of my pump.

I don't see why this method would be any less efficient. Is a DSB not a trap for detritus? Does it not get poor flow? All of the arguments against what I am trying so far just seem like arguments to me. If I replaced the matrix with live rock, would you still think it would fail?
Imagine that matrix and live rock do the same thing(they do).
 
Ripped Tide;707041 wrote: Sand is a smaller particle. The flow created from this particular filter design kicks sand up into the water column from time to time. When/if it makes it's way over the baffle, it will get sucked into the pump. My DT will have black sand and I don't want white blending in. Another thing is that I want to protect the life span of my pump.

I don't see why this method would be any less efficient. Is a DSB not a trap for detritus? Does it not get poor flow? All of the arguments against what I am trying so far just seem like arguments to me. If I replaced the matrix with live rock, would you still think it would fail?
Imagine that matrix and live rock do the same thing(they do).
No argument here, just trying to understand the advantage is all. If the white sand is the only issue with a DSB for you then just use black sand for the DSB. I am not a fan of DSBs regardless of the method but you didn't ask that . I don't think you will fail but you did ask what people thought so when they respond I don't think it renders their response an argument if they don't agree. They have given you reasons why it MAY not work is all.
 
True. I believe that "argument" was a poor choice of wording on my part. You are right, I did ask for all thoughts. I have received a lot of mixed responses. The truth will be revealed a year from now...

Why are you against DSB? Just curious.
 
Ripped Tide;707051 wrote: True. I believe that "argument" was a poor choice of wording on my part. You are right, I did ask for all thoughts. I have received a lot of mixed responses. The truth will be revealed a year from now...

Why are you against DSB? Just curious.

Well, I just feel you'll have a tremendous time keeping debris out of the particles. Its the same reason people dont use crushed coral in reefs, the larger particles create larger voids for debris to settle. The same would apply to live rock or live rock rubble. Or even bio balls for that matter. They would collect debris and be a nitratye generating monster. If you dont have debris, then it will be the next big thing I guess. But, I just dont think it will work. Good luck to you.
 
I will certainly take action to make sure that there will be minimal detritus build up. I plan on ordering 10x 200micron and 10x 100 micron filter socks from the power buy this month that will allow me to be able to swap them out on an every other day basis. Hopefully this will keep most of the waste out of the Matrix. I'll probably change out 1liter every 9-12months.
 
I don't see why you would do this, it would be much more effective in a reactor type setup. This just looks like stuff will settle in there rather than doing any good
 
I don't like reactors. IMO they are a messy PITA. It would be easier for me to reach down in the fuge and lightly stir the matrix every now and then. Unless I just get tired of changing filter socks, very little solid waste will make it to the matrix
 
Ripped Tide;707051 wrote: True. I believe that "argument" was a poor choice of wording on my part. You are right, I did ask for all thoughts. I have received a lot of mixed responses. The truth will be revealed a year from now...

Why are you against DSB? Just curious.

Not really against.
They were used mainly when most corals being kept were softies and such that did not require as clean of water as we do now. The buffering capabilities of any beneficial level is debatable .The nitrate reducing capabilities(especially without a plenum) are no where near that of more recent methods of reduction .They are a source of hydrogen sulfide as well which can be detrimental to your tank if too much is released at once hence the do not stir the sand bed warning. The upper layers of the sand bed also have a tendency to trap detritus.I don't think that a DSB's pros out way the con's.
If you think they are beneficial in the ways others have mentioned it would be sensible to look to other methods that are more proficient at such with out the cons.
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I hope to achieve the pro's with less con's. Maybe ill pull out the crushed coral and use 2 more liters of matrix. This will allow me to give it a little detritus vacuum action once a month or so.
 
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