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I have a 72" 4x250 Aquamedic light fixture with (4) T5 bulbs for supplement. Been running ATI actinics.

I want more blue!

I see "actinic" bulbs...and <u>"blue"</u> bulbs for sale.

Whats the difference?
IS there a difference?

Any configuration advice helpful?

Thanks!
 
What MH bulbs are you running? My Phoenix 14Ks are plenty blue without the actinics, but I run them anyway.
 
what size bulbs? I love blue and run ATI as well, blue plus are the ones I use...lots of blue!!!
 
texhorns98;621917 wrote: What MH bulbs are you running? My Phoenix 14Ks are plenty blue without the actinics, but I run them anyway.

Phoenix 14ks as well.
What actinics are you running?

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gnashty;621922 wrote: what size bulbs? I love blue and run ATI as well, blue plus are the ones I use...lots of blue!!!

Yeah Gary! I love the blue in your tank...but it ALL T'5s. I dont think I can get there with my set up. Since it time to replace my actinics, looking for some pointers.

Mine are 36".

Oh...i just pulled one out and they are not ATI.
I have UV's.
Dont know much about the different brands of T5's.
 
BASSCYN;621925 wrote: Phoenix 14ks as well.
What actinics are you running?

Edit:

Yeah Gary! I love the blue in your tank...but it ALL T'5s. I dont think I can get there with my set up. Since it time to replace my actinics, looking for some pointers.

Mine are 36".

Oh...i just pulled one out and they are not ATI.
I have UV's.
Dont know much about the different brands of T5's.

I have some old 36" ati's (8-9 months on them) and other brands if you want to play around with color - im a ways from you but work off 75 & windy hill M-F 8-5....you are welcome to some of them
 
The actinics I have now are the cheap blue bulbs that came with the fixture. I doubt they are "true actinic", but who knows? You might want to consider adding a purple bulb. Someone out there makes one called "Fiji Purple" that I believe adds a fair amount of blue.
 
If you want blue you should be running Radiums 20k in your MH. Then if you want more blue you can supplement more with blue and one or two purples in your T5.
 
dont use the actinic t5.. they are VERY weak to the eye. .. If you want the blue sup I would go with ATI Blue+ lamps. Good par... I wouldn't even fool with purple stuff like the fiji purple. JMO
 
ja4207;621977 wrote: If you want blue you should be running Radiums 20k in your MH. Then if you want more blue you can supplement more with blue and one or two purples in your T5.

pretty sure his MHs are double ended, so no radiums:sad:
 
BASSCYN;621877 wrote: I have a 72" 4x250 Aquamedic light fixture with (4) T5 bulbs for supplement. Been running ATI actinics.

I want more blue!

I see "actinic" bulbs...and <u>"blue"</u> bulbs for sale.

Whats the difference?
IS there a difference?

Any configuration advice helpful?

Thanks!

Regarding your question above-

Actinic is generally regarded as the phosphor with a peak around 420 nM
Blue is the phosphor that peaks around 460 nM

Actinic yields greater flourescence, and makes colors 'pop', strongly absorbed by chlorophyll a
Blue is easier to see with the human eye, center of the PUR (photosynthetically useful radiation) spectrum due to multiple pigments.

Hope this helps.
 
gnashty;621948 wrote: I have some old 36&quot; ati's (8-9 months on them) and other brands if you want to play around with color - im a ways from you but work off 75 & windy hill M-F 8-5....you are welcome to some of them

Thanks Gary!
Presiate the offer brother...but you are a ways from me.

Did a bit more research and everthing points to the ATI blue plus for what I am trying to achieve here. Got 4 ordered from BRS today!

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10001110101;622089 wrote: if you want more blue, ATI Blue +

really, you probably don't want "true actinics" or "actinic 03" because this is actually a purple bulb, and fairly dim in comparison the blue bulbs.

the word actinic gets thrown around for any bulb that looks blue or purple to the eyes, but really it's referring to the purple bulb, which is an outdated bulb in my opinion. so for a solid blue bulb that will give you a great deal of fluorescence (much more than a true actinic, especially for non-green fluorescent pigments) go with the ATI Blue+... it's probably, for what it is, the absolute best T5 bulb period... throw it in a fixture with any 10k, 12k, 14k, or even 20k bulb and you can't get a better overall color in your tank.

cuts out the yellow, amazing fluorescence, and it has more PAR than your average 10k T5 to boot.

the only real advantage to using a 420nm (true actinic, 'purple') bulb to me is MAYBE your greens fluoresce a little more, to my eyes there is no truth in this, but many people say that it gives more fluorescence particularly green... but in my experience the blue bulb will give you considerably more fluorescence of every color, particularly yellows, oranges and reds which just barely fluoresce under true actinics IME.

you could also just run a pair of UVL super actinics (purple) and a pair of ATI Blue+ and you get a little of both. I don't like the purple light though, gives the tank an artificial and dingy look IMO, but with 1/2 blue and 1/2 true actinic supplementation it's a nice compromise.

Thanks for the tip.
Thats pretty consistent with everything I read.
ATI it is!!!
 
10001110101;622089 wrote: if you want more blue, ATI Blue +

really, you probably don't want "true actinics" or "actinic 03" because this is actually a purple bulb, and fairly dim in comparison the blue bulbs.

the word actinic gets thrown around for any bulb that looks blue or purple to the eyes, but really it's referring to the purple bulb, which is an outdated bulb in my opinion. so for a solid blue bulb that will give you a great deal of fluorescence (much more than a true actinic, especially for non-green fluorescent pigments) go with the ATI Blue+... it's probably, for what it is, the absolute best T5 bulb period... throw it in a fixture with any 10k, 12k, 14k, or even 20k bulb and you can't get a better overall color in your tank.

cuts out the yellow, amazing fluorescence, and it has more PAR than your average 10k T5 to boot.

the only real advantage to using a 420nm (true actinic, 'purple') bulb to me is MAYBE your greens fluoresce a little more, to my eyes there is no truth in this, but many people say that it gives more fluorescence particularly green... but in my experience the blue bulb will give you considerably more fluorescence of every color, particularly yellows, oranges and reds which just barely fluoresce under true actinics IME.

you could also just run a pair of UVL super actinics (purple) and a pair of ATI Blue+ and you get a little of both. I don't like the purple light though, gives the tank an artificial and dingy look IMO, but with 1/2 blue and 1/2 true actinic supplementation it's a nice compromise.

Edit:

radium does make a DE bulb, but it's only a 150w, so yeah, still no go.

Actually, the ATI Blue+ you are so fond of IS a blend of the Actinic/420 and Blue/450 phosphors. Pairing this bulb up with Actinic 03 or equivalents is being redundant, IMO. Also, actinic phosphors/bulbs are far from obsolete, as they peak at the center of the chlorophyll a absorption spectrum. Peridinin is a pigment also found in zooxanthellae with a peak near 450, and is an accessory pigment to chlorophyll a (increases use of available light). So, both wavelengths are useful to corals. The presence of both these pigments are complimentary to florescence. That is, the combination of the two will give better 'glow' than either one alone, due to complex photochemical interactions.

As for the term 'Actinic' it does not refer to purple light specifically at all, but to all photochemically active wavelengths of light.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/actinic+radiation">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/actinic+radiation</a>[/B]

That definition is a holdover from the earlier days of photochemistry, before it was accepted that photosynthesis was also a photochemical reaction. Actinic was generally considered to be higher energy wavelengths approaching/including the UV portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Here is a link to the spectrum of the ATI Blue+ (second set down, right)

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As you can see there is a huge spike near 420 nM and a smaller spike at ~405 nM. These are typical of the flourescent 'actinic 03' phosphors.
 
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