New MP60wES!!!!

Smallblock;558427 wrote: its insane how expensive a plastic housing and a plastic prop a few magnets 5 dollars worth of copper and a small electronic board and a few bucks worth of software is. The problem is we actually shell out for this crap, why do you think their customer service will replace stuff for free all the time, because you paid for 6 of them when you bought one.
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You're not accounting for the research & development costs that companies have to make up once a product is on the market. It's not cheap to design, build, debug, redesign, rebuild, and market new products (especially in a tiny niche market like saltwater aquaria).

If you think Vortech pumps are crap, then I have to assume you've never used one.

Their customer service replaces defective pumps for free because Ecotech is an ideal company. They understand issues come up and more importantly they understand they're in a tiny market and that there's no room for error with regards to customer service/feedback.

Lastly, we're in a free market. I imagine the folks at Vortech set their price points at the optimum level (set the price such that the minimum number of pumps need to be manufactured to achieve the greatest net profit). It's just business, and every (profitable) business does it.

Dustin
 
RedEDGE2k1;558442 wrote: You're not accounting for the research & development costs that companies have to make up once a product is on the market. It's not cheap to design, build, debug, redesign, rebuild, and market new products (especially in a tiny niche market like saltwater aquaria).

If you think Vortech pumps are crap, then I have to assume you've never used one.

Their customer service replaces defective pumps for free because Ecotech is an ideal company. They understand issues come up and more importantly they understand they're in a tiny market and that there's no room for error with regards to customer service/feedback.

Lastly, we're in a free market. I imagine the folks at Vortech set their price points at the optimum level for number of pumps produced vs. income.

Dustin
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You should read all post before a reply, Andy man made his own vortech which in his words works just as well if not better. You act like water movement is equal to rocket science. Yes we are in a free market and they can set the price as they want untill the patent runs out. We will see when this happens and other companies can mimic the design.
 
they also had the cost of the patent . How much r and d do you think they had to increase the size of the magnet and flow by 300 gph? Sure it is a free market! Free country still doesn't justify charging that much money for me to buy. Then implement MAP policies on top of that! I would charge that much as well if I owned the company and could convince people that they were worth it. I sell people on the idea that a circular stair is worth tens of thousands of dollar every chance I get but the still only serve one function ( egress to the next floor)
 
Smallblock;558444 wrote: You act like water movement is equal to rocket science.
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Fluid Dynamics, Thermodynamics, and Systems Design are core classes for a degree in Aerospace Engineering ("rocket science"). Ask me how I know. :yes:
 
exactly after the development of the initial vortech not much has changed as far as base design
 
au01st;558450 wrote: Fluid Dynamics, Thermodynamics, and Systems Design are core classes for a degree in Aerospace Engineering ("rocket science"). Ask me how I know. :yes:
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Lol i knew bill nye the science guy would pop in here at some point. Touche
 
I use Vortechs and I like them. Not cheap, but very effective, IMO.

I am glad they are not ARC Sponsors right now, though, hehehe!
 
I think that they are great product but as i have said before I don't see their value with that price tag, This kind of price increase for a slightly larger unit only adds to the question of it's value to me. IMO
 
Do you think that ecotech would be an ideal company if they were struggling in the profit area? Nope they would be like sorry sir your gonna have to pay for this westside
 
thats a lot of unidirectional flow for a 120 or under haha. I'm with the others... 3 or even 2 mp40ws.

(still want another MP40w... time to sell frags I suppose)

b
 
Aston Martin;558474 wrote: That's all it takes.

Why all the hate? If it's not worth it to you don't buy it. I'm sure Ecotech will set the adjust/set the price wherever they need to to sell a desired quantity at determined profit to make them the most $$$. Market equilibrium. It not worth $700 to me, but if I had a tank that had 1" glass than it might be. Heck if I had ans maintained a tank with 1" glass $700 would be a smaller portion of my disposable income for this 'hobby'.

Why does no one slam bubbleking? All their skimmers are is plastic and they start at the same price, all it is is plastic and a pump, and only for a 50-135G tank!?!?!?
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First of all I'm not familiar with the term (hate) when it appied to my opinion of the value or worth of an inanimate object but if you want to express some kinda of emotional attachment to a powerhead, have at my friend. The term you expressed above is typically considered the Economic value of the object. There are many other types of values attached to most products as well. So far as not having dialogue about Bubble Kings or Ashton Martin cars the OP did not mention them. One more thought, my decision not to buy them does not relinquish my right to discuss their value.
 
au01st;558450 wrote: Fluid Dynamics, Thermodynamics, and Systems Design are core classes for a degree in Aerospace Engineering ("rocket science"). Ask me how I know. :yes:
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ooo oooo me me me :)

ok..

how do you know...

B
 
Whats not fair is someone who would appreciate it and practically use it not being able to have something even similiar because of the market cornering and locked overpricing. If that thing comes out for 700 bucks it will stay there and you will never see it change
 
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