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I was pretty active on here 15 years ago. Went through a biocube to a 50 corner to. 90 corner to a 125 than a 250. Visited many a homes selling frags and fish.

All that to say my new wife is allowing me to play again. Looking for something under a hundred gallons. Softies and fish. A lot a new hi-tech stuff out there.

If anyone knows of a 50 to a hundred gallon tanks for sale I'd love to know. Partial to cubes but open minded.

It great to be back and to see what old friends may still be fishing around.

Russ
 
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I was pretty active on here 15 years ago. Went through a biocube to a 50 corner to. 90 corner to a 125 than a 250. Visited many a homes selling frags and fish.

All that to say my new wife is allowing me to play again. Looking for something under a hundred gallons. Softies and fish. A lot a new hi-tech stuff out there.

If anyone knows of a 50 to a hundred gallon tanks for sale I'd love to know. Partial to cubes but open minded.

It great to be back and to see what old friends may still be fishing around.

Russ
Welcome back. I myself am also recently back after being away from the hobby since 2008, thanks to moving across the country, back again, getting married and having kids.

Hard to believe the number of cheap or free tanks I've seen pass by in just the last 2 months or so.

I bought a 50AIO with stand, return pump, Apex controller (plus a couple of probes), and an older BRS 7-stage RODI from another member here for $500.

I have since picked up a rimmed 75-gallon for free, as well as a rimmed 220g custom peninsula for free, from other members here.

If you've got time and enough patience, you can probably score a pretty solid deal.

LOTS has changed in the hobby in that period of time though. ULNS is a thing of the past, and LED's are king, for e.g..
 
Thier is a guy selling a 112 cube for 3000. Complete with everything even corals. Probably 15,000 in equipment
 
Welcome Home Minions GIF
 
Glad to see you back. I logged in today for the first time in I don't know WHEN ha. I was super active about 15 years ago so we probably crossed paths.
Actually, did you guys come to my house in Alabama for some frags? Tony seems like a familiar name :)
 
Ok so I decided to go small, 35 gallon for two reasons...didn't want to break the bank and I figure at some point it will make a good quarantine tank lol. So I got the Reefer 170, ReefMat 500 roller, Jump DC controllable return pump, Curve 5 Elite skimmer and a Nero 3 Powerhead. I'll look at lights here on the ARC if not I'll pick up the ReefLED 90. Ordered my black Hawaiian sand, RO unit today. What salt is best recommended for a new start up? All should be here by Friday and if I remember right lights aren't needed for cycling correct?
 
Ok so I decided to go small, 35 gallon for two reasons...didn't want to break the bank and I figure at some point it will make a good quarantine tank lol. So I got the Reefer 170, ReefMat 500 roller, Jump DC controllable return pump, Curve 5 Elite skimmer and a Nero 3 Powerhead. I'll look at lights here on the ARC if not I'll pick up the ReefLED 90. Ordered my black Hawaiian sand, RO unit today. What salt is best recommended for a new start up? All should be here by Friday and if I remember right lights aren't needed for cycling correct?

Ooof. I was thinking of doing a 20, but got talked into buying a 50 AIO. Just keep in mind maintaining water is going to be harder - you might want to consider keeping an eye out for a good deal on an Apex unit to automate at least a little of the testing (temp, alk, salinity). I'm actually integrating a remote refugium to try and boost my water volume by that little bit more.

Salt: a good question. I haven't used it yet, myself (2x 200g boxes sitting behind me tho), but I really like everything I'm reading about the AquaForest Reef+ salt we did a group buy for a while back. The fact that each batch is marked and ICP-OES tested sets a mind at ease about what's actually in it - of course it's a sample from a larger batch, but better than nothing. You might want to look through The Ultimate Salt Test thread over on reef2reef.

You can see the results from the test on my batch of salt (use lot code 8110259) on AF's website.

Be careful with that black Hawaiian sand. I'm using black sand I got from someone else here - I don't know where it originated from, but the fact that it was used successfully in a mixed reef for quite a long time was reassurance enough for me to be comfortable going ahead with it. HOWEVER, there are no few reports out there about the CaribSea Black Hawaiian Arag-Alive sand not only being magnetic (i.e. it could scratch your glass if you use a magnetic scraper), but also of it being contaminated with things like excess aluminum and silica causing system crashes that were only resolved by completely changing the sand. It's apparently not every bag, by a long stretch, and some of the complaints are certainly anecdotal, but there are still enough them to have made me nervous while doing my research.

Depends on how much of a hurry you're in, but if you're not planning on doing a live start (or even if you are), I'd suggest getting an ICP-MS test done after the sand has been wet for a week or more. Of course, most of what you'll be reading is going to be the contents of the salt mix, but if anything comes back off, better to know sooner than later, and if you use a salt that is tested at the factory you at least have a baseline.

If you're patient enough, after doing a full rinse / rip clean on the sand (always rinse sand, new or old! even if it says you don't have to!), you could put it in a mixing barrel with no salt, rock or livestock: run a pump and heater, stir the sand gently a couple of times a day, and then after a week or so, send the water off for testing - that way, the only things they should find are anything leaching from the sand, and whatever made it through your RO/DI system, leaving far fewer possible sources of contamination to contend with. You could do this in your fish tank itself, as well, if you'd prefer.

Cycling... there's a lot of advice and methods for, it depends on what seems sane and comfortable to you, but no, lights are not necessarily required (or desirable) for cycling, depending on how you're going about it.
 
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Well I went with the Carib Sea Arab Alive white sand. Decided against the black.

I went with the Dr Tim's to help cycle the tank. I nice piece of rock to start.

I decided for the first time out to by salt already mixed since it's only 44 gallons total from Premium Aquatics in Marietta area.

I still need test kits and all. Was looking at Hannah's products. Worth it? What would you suggest I need to start with? I cannot believe how much things changed over the last 15-20 years.
 
IMO, unless you're committed to doing a fish-less cycle, you're going to want to go ahead and buy salt pronto: you don't want to have to be taking a trip to the store for more every time you need to do a water change, or for quarantine, which you should most definitely be doing. Even in a brand new tank! Marine ich for example can sit dormant for up to 76 days in a system, meaning if it shows up in the tank, the only way to get rid of it is to either treat the whole tank (which means using medications unsafe for inverts) or to quarantine and treat your fish and coral livestock while you let the entire system go fallow for those 72 days to preserve your inverts. This is just one of many possible pathogens that can show up with new livestock, live rock, etc.: there are many more to be equally - if not more - worried about that only QT can help abate.

And honestly there's little to no reason to do a fish-less cycle. Between the bottled bacteria you have, the availability of cycled media from other club members, and the ability to buy pods either online or from an LFS (you want LOTS of pods), they'll help shorten all the ugly phases by a LOT. By starting with a couple of hardy corals and hardy fish (like clowns), you jumpstart the entire cycle right from the beginning.

It's a choice between several weeks of QT to be sure all is well, and the risk that you may lose livestock or even completely crash the tank leading to a complete reset. It's a process that really shouldn't be skipped, and basically, you either medicate (which you want to use a dedicated QT tank for, because copper medication is a pain to completely scrub a tank of), or you do a tank transfer method which is going to see you mixing up a new batch of water as you switch the livestock between two QT tanks every 2 days.

Either way store-bought water isn't something you want to rely on for that process. You won't need as much water if you medicate, generally speaking, as with a tank transfer method, but you MIGHT just need it when you don't expect it, either.

Not to mention, switching salts can be something of a shock to a tank - particularly a small one - especially if the levels of elements, etc., are wildly different. IMO, it's best to pick one and stick with it, if at all possible. If you do wind up using the store's water, either try and get the same salts they use, or else make sure you do small, regular water changes while switching to a new salt so you accomplish the switch gradually. Note: Some people successfully switch salts without major issues, but many also struggle with it - the main risk is in large, sudden changes rather than slow, methodical transitions.

As for the Hanna checkers? Probably worth it, at least over time, but for only some tests: Alkalinity (dKH), Ultra Low Range (ULR) Phosphate, and High Range (HR) Nitrate are all broadly useful.

Calcium is worth testing if your tank has a high demand - like if you're keeping lots of LPS/SPS corals - but the Hanna checker gets mixed reviews for accuracy, with comments noting it can be finicky compared to their other testers.

pH is an absolute necessity - you should be testing it pretty regularly, as stability there is 👑 & 🗝️.

If you don't have an Apex unit or some other continuous monitor, you'll want a pH tester without question, and probably the Alkalinity tester also. You only need the other ULR Phosphate and HR Nitrate if you're trying to fine-tune nutrient-export / -balance, or dosing nitrates intentionally. You could also get a pH pen, or a Seneye device, for a fraction of what an Apex costs.
 
GREAT INFO and somewhat overwhelming. I was using the store water the first time. I have an rodi unit coming but won’t have it set up all that soon. I can most definitely see what salt they use, I do plan on making my own water. If memory serves its 20% water changes?

I do plan on softies and some sod rbta for my clowns. Won’t be heavy in fish. 5-6 tops on the smaller size.

Will send a pm if that’s ok.
 
GREAT INFO and somewhat overwhelming. I was using the store water the first time. I have an rodi unit coming but won’t have it set up all that soon. I can most definitely see what salt they use, I do plan on making my own water. If memory serves its 20% water changes?

I do plan on softies and some sod rbta for my clowns. Won’t be heavy in fish. 5-6 tops on the smaller size.

Will send a pm if that’s ok.
PM is fine if you like, but you might get a lot more out of hearing from other more experienced reefers. This thread is still young, plenty of time yet for me to be contradicted 😄

I think I know what I'm on about, and I do try to sufficient reading - I'm pretty passionate about doing right by any animal in my care - to make sure of it, but I'm far from the authority here.

As for water change size, 20% should usually be the maximum at once unless extreme circumstances dictate otherwise. Really it depends kind of on how often you're doing them in the first place, plus your parameter readings, and how much of what you're dosing how often. Speaking for myself, I prefer smaller changes, so there's less chance of fluctuation in the tank - I've had too many livestock losses directly attributable to large water changes over the years to do anything more except in dire circumstances. Instead, I prefer to stick with ~10% to be on the safe side, and if I need to do more, I like to do it in stages, 10 - 20% at a time, every 8 - 12 hours, though I may increase my total target goal by some amount to compensate for the fact that I'm not removing as much in one go and diluting the remainder of whatever I'm trying to remove.

With fish, it's less about the number, and more about the bioload they produce as a species type, and their level of aggression/territoriality, though generally speaking you should be able to handle about 1 small (less than 3") fish per 5 gallons of water in a nano. Roughly, The other aforementioned factors are still key (especially, for example, as some gobies are very aggressive towards other gobies, and some not at all), and your inverts do still have some impact, especially if they're large and/or you tend to feed heavily.
 
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