Pink Boobies Chalice

[liverock27]

I was wondering if Pink Boobies Chalice is one particular chalice or a style(type) of chalice?

I ask because looking around the internet I see it for all different prices ranging from $150-$300 and the pictures are a lot different.

Examples:

AC's PB

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SC's PB

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[gnashty]

Alot of it is all predicated on the lineage and hype. Jason Fox's (just an example) LE chalices may look different than a Tyree chalice of the same name. Lighting, flow, food, care, water quality all play a role in what it looks like in the end......and camera of course.

At the end of the day buy it because you LIKE it, not because it is rare, LE or otherwise. because face it, by the time it gets to a size that you may be comfortable parting with a peice to offset the high upfront cost - its not rare anymore and the prices are 1/4 of what you paid...

 

[liverock27]

gnashty;632634 wrote: Alot of it is all predicated on the lineage and hype. Jason Fox's (just an example) LE chalices may look different than a Tyree chalice of the same name. Lighting, flow, food, care, water quality all play a role in what it looks like in the end......and camera of course.

At the end of the day buy it because you LIKE it, not because it is rare, LE or otherwise. because face it, by the time it gets to a size that you may be comfortable parting with a peice to offset the high upfront cost - its not rare anymore and the prices are 1/4 of what you paid...

100% agree, but I was just seeing if there were different types of this chalice like with watermelon or mummy eye chalices. Where it is a type of chalice based on a physical trait with different variations?

 

[sprinklerman500]

I love pink boobies even if one is bigger than the other.

 

[mojo]

LiveRock27;632665 wrote: 100% agree, but I was just seeing if there were different types of this chalice like with watermelon or mummy eye chalices. Where it is a type of chalice based on a physical trait with different variations?

All corals have variations. If you grow either one of those out, then after several generations, they could look like the other or something completely different. There's no species difference between two different colors of the same type of corals.

Think of it in terms of animals - say cats. You could have a line of white cats that were bred. They'd likely produce more white cats. But not necessarily. And even if a cat came out black from that line, it'd still be the same species.

 

[lilrobb]

mojo;632692 wrote:
Think of it in terms of animals - say cats. You could have a line of white cats that were bred. They'd likely produce more white cats. But not necessarily. And even if a cat came out black from that line, it'd still be the same species.

Never seen a cat being fragged (aka asexually reproduced), so this comparison is not the best...

 

[db366]

Sweet so a brown chalice can be a pink boobies chalice? Am I the only one who thinks this whole linage thing is kinda lame? When it comes down to it, it all came from the ocean at one point or another..

 

[thanh386]

Would u buy generic or name brand? That's the reason things cost what they do.

 

[db366]

If its the same either way then why does it matter if its named brand? And whose to say that a tyree or whatever else is really what it is unless you got it from that person directly?

I guess what it really comes down to is bragging rights, I understand that I just personally see no reason to spend more on a "named brand" coral over one that was grown in joe shmoes tank down the road. If its pretty its pretty.

 

[liverock27]

mojo;632692 wrote: All corals have variations. If you grow either one of those out, then after several generations, they could look like the other or something completely different. There's no species difference between two different colors of the same type of corals.

Think of it in terms of animals - say cats. You could have a line of white cats that were bred. They'd likely produce more white cats. But not necessarily. And even if a cat came out black from that line, it'd still be the same species.

Thanks, but would that mean there is no difference between lets say Millis? A Red Milli and a Blue Milli are just variations of the same coral and thus through generations could turn into the same coral?

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db366;632749 wrote: If its the same either way then why does it matter if its named brand? And whose to say that a tyree or whatever else is really what it is unless you got it from that person directly?

I guess what it really comes down to is bragging rights, I understand that I just personally see no reason to spend more on a "named brand" coral over one that was grown in joe shmoes tank down the road. If its pretty its pretty.

I am not looking for "name brand" for a coral I just want to see if like with Mummy Eyes and Watermelons chalices Pink Boobies are named after a particular trait, growth pattern, eye, texture, etc. and that is why when you look at different sites there Pink Boobies look completley different.

 

[rskillz]

A lot of the difference between those two pictures are simply the photography. The top PB is from far away, where you don't get a good shot of the eyes. The second is a zoomed in macro of a tiny frag with the eye very visible.

I'm a chalice lover and I have PB. Much of the difference is also dependent upon tank conditions. My Mummy eye of the exact same strain looks very different in my tank than it does in my buddies tank who gave me the frag. Chalices tend to color up and morph depending a light, much like zoas.

A lot of people scoff at lineage and proving a coral is what people say it is, but I love the practice. Take BPC Flamethrower, which is still the hottest coral on the planet; Blue planet corals got that chalice in as a wild coral from a distributor who didn't know the difference. Lucky on their part, but that particular coral has yet to be duplicated. Its particular coloration and traits are unique to that chalice. Otherwise, flamethrower would show up everywhere.

My Pink boobies; I got it from World wide corals in Orlando

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[liverock27]

Rskillz;632770 wrote: A lot of the difference between those two pictures are simply the photography. The top PB is from far away, where you don't get a good shot of the eyes. The second is a zoomed in macro of a tiny frag with the eye very visible.

I'm a chalice lover and I have PB. Much of the difference is also dependent upon tank conditions. My Mummy eye of the exact same strain looks very different in my tank than it does in my buddies tank who gave me the frag. Chalices tend to color up and morph depending a light, much like zoas.

A lot of people scoff at lineage and proving a coral is what people say it is, but I love the practice. Take BPC Flamethrower, which is still the hottest coral on the planet; Blue planet corals got that chalice in as a wild coral from a distributor who didn't know the difference. Lucky on their part, but that particular coral has yet to be duplicated. Its particular coloration and traits are unique to that chalice. Otherwise, flamethrower would show up everywhere.

My Pink boobies; I got it from World wide corals in Orlando

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Very nice and thanks for the clear explination. I can see on your picture that there is some blue around the eye and that is what has been throwing me off from all the different pictures. On most sites it doesn't look like there is any blue in chalice yet SC's has so much blue.

 

[rskillz]

LiveRock27;632772 wrote: Very nice and thanks for the clear explination. I can see on your picture that there is some blue around the eye and that is what has been throwing me off from all the different pictures. On most sites it doesn't look like there is any blue in chalice yet SC's has so much blue.

I'd stay away from understanding the chalice craze "clearly." You might end up addicted like me :lol2:

 

[mojo]

LilRobb;632701 wrote: Never seen a cat being fragged (aka asexually reproduced), so this comparison is not the best...

LiveRock27;632756 wrote: Thanks, but would that mean there is no difference between lets say Millis? A Red Milli and a Blue Milli are just variations of the same coral and thus through generations could turn into the same coral?

You're both right- the sexual reproduction (that we don't get often in our tanks) will have more to do with color than generations of an asexually reproduced coral. I blame it on sleep deprivation. :shout:

db366;632719 wrote: Sweet so a brown chalice can be a pink boobies chalice?

Chalices don't seem to vary in color quite as much, but acros and millis can look dramatically different in different tanks.

Am I the only one who thinks this whole linage thing is kinda lame?

Nope. I'm right there with you. In fact, I think the next time I sell frags, I'm going to start coming up with my own line. "Skimmate brown" "Toe Jam Crunch" "Tang Bomb Green"... All I need to do is come up with some papers saying they're from my tank, and people will comes from miles around. Muhahahaha! I also find it odd that anything that can be grown in an artificial setting can be called "Limited Edition"...


Having said all this - if you like the look of a particular chalices (or other coral of choice), go for it. I'm making fun of the names, not the look.

 

[liverock27]

Rskillz;632773 wrote: I'd stay away from understanding the chalice craze "clearly." You might end up addicted like me :lol2:

Not sure I can fight it off much longer! WWC has a few chalices that I am having a hard time not pulling out the credit card for. If they ever get their Mango Tango Rainbow Echinata back instock I won't be able to keep the card in the wallet.

 

[rskillz]

mojo;632775 wrote: You're both right- the sexual reproduction (that we don't get often in our tanks) will have more to do with color than generations of an asexually reproduced coral. I blame it on sleep deprivation. :shout:



Chalices don't seem to vary in color quite as much, but acros and millis can look dramatically different in different tanks.

Nope. I'm right there with you. In fact, I think the next time I sell frags, I'm going to start coming up with my own line. "Skimmate brown" "Toe Jam Crunch" "Tang Bomb Green"... All I need to do is come up with some papers saying they're from my tank, and people will comes from miles around. Muhahahaha! I also find it odd that anything that can be grown in an artificial setting can be called "Limited Edition"...


Having said all this - if you like the look of a particular chalices (or other coral of choice), go for it. I'm making fun of the names, not the look.

I personally think the names are a LOT sillier when it comes to SPS corals than others. Chalices and Zoas inparticular are pretty easy to identify and it's kinda nice to know what you are getting/have. SPS are just too hard to nail down; they change color more readily, come in way more variations, and don't really make sense to "name" IMO. ORA SPS are nice, and their strains are quite easy to notice and identify though.

Just my opinion though. I know most old timers who've been in the hobby longer than me tend to frown on the name game while newer hobbyist tend to like a bit more.

 

[texhorns98]

The last time I bought Pink Boobies was at The Pony. They only lasted about 3 minutes. Best three minutes ever!

 

[rskillz]

aquaculture;632822 wrote: No coral is rare (it might look exotic, but definately not rare), let's face it, it came from the ocean originally and there is plenty more of it where it came from. The LE corals are only limited from <u>that </u>particular persons tank, website etc...and I have seen plenty of corals without a name or lineage look 1000 times better than some of the tyree corals.

At the end of the day, it is what YOU like and are willing to pay for. I never labeled anything in my store, I looked at what I payed for something including my shipping, and adjusted my margins accordingly so that I make a little money and the customer got a great piece of livestock to help create their piece of the reef. .:up:

While I like the name game and LEs, it does go WAY too far. Sexy Corals is the worst in my book at taking drab wild colonies, baking it under actinics, naming it some random name, photoshopping it, and overpricing it by 400%. They even overcharge for already overpriced corals from other sites and vendors. Very annoying.

 

[liverock27]

aquaculture;632822 wrote: No coral is rare (it might look exotic, but definately not rare), let's face it, it came from the ocean originally and there is plenty more of it where it came from. The LE corals are only limited from <u>that </u>particular persons tank, website etc...and I have seen plenty of corals without a name or lineage look 1000 times better than some of the tyree corals.

At the end of the day, it is what YOU like and are willing to pay for. I never labeled anything in my store, I looked at what I payed for something including my shipping, and adjusted my margins accordingly so that I make a little money and the customer got a great piece of livestock to help create their piece of the reef. .:up:

Great Rant, but not what I was asking. In no way am I asking is Sexycorals PB better than AddictingCorals PB because of name. Didn't ask about Tyree, JF, or ATL either.
I asked a simple question if Pink Boobies was a single coral or was a descriptive name for a coral with a particular trait(ie eye, growth pattern, etc), but again great rant.