Removing GSP in tank/polyps
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PM Acroholic. He came across a method to remove blue cloves that worked great. Takes care of GSP as well, but will kill tube worms and leathers.
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Nope... Fluke tabs.
Though Reef Napalm does work wonders ... its just not something I'd use in this application. It would do the job, but I suppose it would depend on how much killing you need to do.
Though Reef Napalm does work wonders ... its just not something I'd use in this application. It would do the job, but I suppose it would depend on how much killing you need to do.
I just used Fluke Tabs to treat my 300 gallon reef for clavularia (blue clove polyps). Anyone that has seen my tank knows they were everywhere. This is not a method for anyone to take lightly, as Fluke Tabs will kill leathers, tube worms, GSP, Xenia, and possibly prevent these from growing for years afterwards.
Mine was an absolute plague, and conventional methods like kalk paste, reef napalm (lye + water) would spot kill, but my rock is Totoka, very branchy with tons of openings, and you could not get it all, short of a complete tank teardown.
If Brisco has a few patches of GSP, then I'd try kalk or reef napalm before using Fluke Tabs. After Fluke Tab treatment, there are a lot of water changes to do, and mechanical filtration to keep on top of, etc, as you can have a heckuva nutrient spike if you don't keep up on it.
In one way the cloves were attractive, but on the other hand, there was probably 4 square feet of them in the tank, and they surrounded my SPS bases and grew so densely between my zoas they almost prevented them from opening.
I don't know, but I also started to question the effect on the SPS of all the chemicals put off by such a single dominant species in my tank. I know they were affecting the ability of the SPS to encrust by blocking all the light around their edges, even though they did seem able to kill the cloves if they did encrust.
So what I am saying is this was a last chance option for me, so if you can do it any other way, I'd try that first. Fluke Tabs are near impossible to find in the US any more, so I had to import mine.
But all that said, here are some before and after pics.
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Mine was an absolute plague, and conventional methods like kalk paste, reef napalm (lye + water) would spot kill, but my rock is Totoka, very branchy with tons of openings, and you could not get it all, short of a complete tank teardown.
If Brisco has a few patches of GSP, then I'd try kalk or reef napalm before using Fluke Tabs. After Fluke Tab treatment, there are a lot of water changes to do, and mechanical filtration to keep on top of, etc, as you can have a heckuva nutrient spike if you don't keep up on it.
In one way the cloves were attractive, but on the other hand, there was probably 4 square feet of them in the tank, and they surrounded my SPS bases and grew so densely between my zoas they almost prevented them from opening.
I don't know, but I also started to question the effect on the SPS of all the chemicals put off by such a single dominant species in my tank. I know they were affecting the ability of the SPS to encrust by blocking all the light around their edges, even though they did seem able to kill the cloves if they did encrust.
So what I am saying is this was a last chance option for me, so if you can do it any other way, I'd try that first. Fluke Tabs are near impossible to find in the US any more, so I had to import mine.
But all that said, here are some before and after pics.
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hey Dave,do you have a link or mind explaining the treatment for this.thats amazing results.that could have saved my last reef.now im starting to see cloves pop up again.
Actually, I had been playing around with a small plant tank and wanted some for some FW hydras, and that is where I started seeing a couple Google hits regarding fluke tabs and xenia, and fluke tabs and blue clove polyps. All my research was done on Google using the search terms "Fluke Tabs and blue clove Polyps". You'll get a lot of results from Reef Central, so search there under "blue clove polyps", or "fluke tabs" will give a lot of results.
Here is a good thread on RC about them, and post #30 gave the 1 tab per 100 gallons dosing suggestion. This guy used these and got rid of his xenia and blue clove polyps. There were enough hits describing the effect on blue cloves and no effect on LPS, SPS, fish, or zoas to encourage me to try it.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1929810">http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1929810</a>
My package of Fluke Tabs says it contains the active ingredients methyl-5-benzoyl benzimidazole-2-carbamate and dimethyl (2,2,2-trichloro-1-hydroxyethyl) phosphonate. Praziquantel is the recommended substitute for Fluke Tabs for the treatment of gill flukes, as Fluke Tabs are not available in the US any more. I tried Prazi-Pro on some blue cloves and got no results after several days in a small treatment tank. This use of Fluke Tabs to kill xenia and clavularia (blue cloves) is a non specified effect, like Kent Tech M killing bryopsis or Interceptor killing redbugs, not intended for that purpose. Fluke Tabs were originally used to try to treat acroporas for AEFWs, and some reefers noticed that after acroporas on rocks that had been dipped in a Fluke Tab bath were returned to the main tank, Xenias and blue clove polyps started to decline and disappear. That, as far as I understand it, was how folks started using them to purpose kill Xenia and blue clove polyps.
BigAl07;754885 wrote: Great information Dave!! Talk about an amazing change!
Yes the stinking polyps do look really good but they are so invasive that it's unreal. From 1 polyp springs 40 and all the way on the OTHER side of the tank.
I've been battling them for several weeks using a "Freaking Laser Beam" with very good results. If the "Freaking Laser Beam" doesn't work long term then I guess I'm gonna NUKE the tank. My only reservation is I have carefully groomed my GSP to grow very nicely up the back wall of my tank and from the right angle it looks like a lush green field. That's my only reservation on this tank.
I look forward to seeing Reggie's outcome soon
Allen
I'd rather have GSP that Blue Cloves any Day. Blue cloves spread like GSP, but they also spawn and release eggs. I guess that is how they can show up on other areas of the tank, or even in other tanks plumbed into the same system, like they did with me.
One thing I read is that if you do nuke a tank with fluke tabs, you may not be able to keep anthelia, GSP, Xenia etc in the tank for up to several years thereafter. I don't know if this is true or not. I might try a bit of GSP sometime and see if it slowly declines or not in my 300.
Also, ornamental shrimps can be at risk with Fluke Tabs, so if anyone uses them for xenia or blue cloves or GSP, best to remove them prior to treatment and return them only after you have done a lotta water changes after treatment.
i dont forsee me adding any of those mentioned corals anytime so ill take that risk gladly!
so do i make the kalk paste? And what will that do to water quality? Never used the stuff I assume it is purchased in a powder? So how do i prevent it from just dissipating in the water?
turn pumps off,mix it thick and squirt it over the area you want to kill.leave it on there for as long as you can,at least 10 mins but longer the better.it may raise the ph up slightly depending on how much you use and water volume but nothing too extreme.be sure to blow it off any corals you dont want to kill if any gets on them really quick.
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I'm about to try and drastically trim back some anthellia today. I would get completely rid of it, but my clowns are hosting it and it really is pretty.
The active ingredient in Clout is called Trichlorfon. It is an organophosphate. Fluke Tabs have an organophosphate, but it is not the same, so I don't know. Fluke tabs also have another ingredient, which I think is a pesticide. I used Fluke Tabs based on other's experience, and I cannot find a single reference to Clout for treating blue cloves anywhere.
I tried Praziquantel on blue cloves in a separate tank and it did not work.
I wouldn't treat your reef with Clout without someone's experience to draw on.
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