return pump suggestions?

[civics14]

Hi Everyone,

I've been collecting parts for a new reef tank, so far it I have a 60 gallon rimless cube, DIY stand, 40 gallon breeder as DIY sump/refuge, and skimmer. I have on order a ReefBreeder Nova A4, Jebao WP25, and wanted to know a good reliable & quiet pump to go with??

The head height would be approximately 5 feet, maybe 2-3" less. From what I've researched the pump should be 5-6 the size of the DT, so I'm looking at a 300-360gph pump.

Let me know what you think.

 

[jdavid]

You have a 36" sump under a 24" tank?

Lets see the stand!

Sorry I don't know which pump is right for you. I'd be asking the same thing

 

[civics14]

the stand is just the frame at the moment, we just built the frame this past Sunday. Haven't had the time to design the the rest of it yet. The tops will be granite with a 1" overhang.
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[jdavid]

Oh I see how you are going about it with the larger sump. Looks nice

 

[linhtran]

The stand looks familar .

 

[civics14]

LinhTran;893169 wrote: The stand looks familar .

Haha. Yeah, I liked yours so I'm going to recreate it with a more modern look with granite as a top.

The tank cleaned up nicely, extremely clean as promised. I was going to attempt on removing the coraline off the overflow, but decided it would be too much of a pain and it would probably just grow back anyways.

 

[jdavid]

Okay so I'm no chemist but I believe coralline algae mostly deposits calcite (a form of calcium carbonate) and magnesium into it's cell walls. When it is dry and dead basically what you are looking at is calcium carbonate. You should be able to dissolve (or possibly react- like I said I'm not a chemist) away this calcium carbonate easily with some diluted acid. White vingegar and water should do the trick. I'd try spraying it on and letting it sit. I have to do a 30 rimless that is covered on all sides soon. Sorry still not helpful with any pump advice

 

[civics14]

JDavid;893174 wrote: Okay so I'm no chemist but I believe coralline algae mostly deposits calcite (a form of calcium carbonate) and magnesium into it's cell walls. When it is dry and dead basically what you are looking at is calcium carbonate. You should be able to dissolve (or possibly react- like I said I'm not a chemist) away this calcium carbonate easily with some diluted acid. White vingegar and water should do the trick. I'd try spraying it on and letting it sit. I have to do a 30 rimless that is covered on all sides soon. Sorry still not helpful with any pump advice

I tried to remove it with vinegar and water, but maybe I should let it soak longer. I only let it soak for about 10 min. I'll try it again and let it sit over night or something.

I'm not sure about acids, I am worried about any residue or damage to the tank seals.

I read where people used CLR but I would be hesitant to do so because of the same thing.

 

[gixxer600]

I am using a Sicce 3.0 on my 60 cube for a return pump works real well.

 

[containerman1]

civics14;893178 wrote: I tried to remove it with vinegar and water, but maybe I should let it soak longer. I only let it soak for about 10 min. I'll try it again and let it sit over night or something.

I'm not sure about acids, I am worried about any residue or damage to the tank seals.

I read where people used CLR but I would be hesitant to do so because of the same thing.

I let a tank sit for 24 hours and you could wipe off most of the coral. deposits and then within another 24 hours it was as clean as a new tank.
I did a 20 gallon and I only added 1 gallon ( its cheap ) and the rest water worked great. I actually threw a few pumps and powerheads in the tank to and they all cleaned up like new.

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civics14;893157 wrote: Hi Everyone,

I've been collecting parts for a new reef tank, so far it I have a 60 gallon rimless cube, DIY stand, 40 gallon breeder as DIY sump/refuge, and skimmer. I have on order a ReefBreeder Nova A4, Jebao WP25, and wanted to know a good reliable & quiet pump to go with??

The head height would be approximately 5 feet, maybe 2-3" less. From what I've researched the pump should be 5-6 the size of the DT, so I'm looking at a 300-360gph pump.

Let me know what you think.

I think you will need a little stronger pump for that volume. I would go with 600 GPH min. but that's me.
I love my 1260 and 1262 ehiem pumps pretty quiet also.
Looking at 60 gal for tank and 30 gal in sump ( minus some from sand and rock)

 

[civics14]

gixxer600;893179 wrote: I am using a Sicce 3.0 on my 60 cube for a return pump works real well.

I was actually looking at this pump myself, but i don't understand the chart with headloss.

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At 5', what is the GPH?

 

[ringo®]

Looks to be around 528 to me

 

[civics14]

containerman1;893180 wrote: I let a tank sit for 24 hours and you could wipe off most of the coral. deposits and then within another 24 hours it was as clean as a new tank.
I did a 20 gallon and I only added 1 gallon ( its cheap ) and the rest water worked great. I actually threw a few pumps and powerheads in the tank to and they all cleaned up like new.

Edit:
I think you will need a little stronger pump for that volume. I would go with 600 GPH min. but that's me.
I love my 1260 and 1262 ehiem pumps pretty quiet also.
Looking at 60 gal for tank and 30 gal in sump ( minus some from sand and rock)

I will try that out with the vinegar and water for 24 hours. I know my wife is going to pitch a fit about the smell in the garage :tongue:

600gph isn't too much? I thought that turn over rate would be too high.

 

[gixxer600]

Not at all. in my opinion i prefer a large turnover rate. I think it is very beneficial for the coral. Plus i am also using a WP-40 in the display as well.

 

[containerman1]

civics14;893183 wrote: I will try that out with the vinegar and water for 24 hours. I know my wife is going to pitch a fit about the smell in the garage :tongue:

600gph isn't too much? I thought that turn over rate would be too high.

My wife was not happy either. I cut a cardboard box to lay flat over the tank and threw a old towel so she didn't see it until the next day when I started cleaning it out by then it was too late :yes:
I have always heard 10 times the tank and I added a ball valve on the line so I could tweak it back a little . I have a MRC cube 34 gallon with a 15 gallon sump and the pump I have on it is a rio 3100 plus and it runs about 700 GPH and it works great. I do have 1 WP25 in the tank also.

 

[civics14]

From my understanding, I thought most of the water flow in the tank should come from power heads and not the return pump. Again, I'm no expert nor have any experience, just from what I read.

Also, the Rio pump is a cheaper alternative comparatively, but how is the noise level on it?

 

[containerman1]

civics14;893196 wrote: From my understanding, I thought most of the water flow in the tank should come from power heads and not the return pump. Again, I'm no expert nor have any experience, just from what I read.

Also, the Rio pump is a cheaper alternative comparatively, but how is the noise level on it?

I have used a couple different Rio pumps and they are pretty quiet and have lasted several years with no problems . I would say better than Mag noise level and not quite as low Ehiem.
If it was in living room or bedroom I would spend a little more on a better pump and it will be more quiet. ( Like Ehiem)

 

[civics14]

Ringo®;893182 wrote: Looks to be around 528 to me

Ok, I see now. They use commas and not periods, that's what was confusing me. Thanks.

 

[djatl]

Don't forget that you have to push that flow through the sump, too. Not as big a problem with a 40g sump, but 10x display would be 15x the sump, even for you. Having some way to dial the flow back is probably a good idea, just in case.

 

[civics14]

I plan on building the sump so that the drain/skimmer and refuge is on opposite sides and the return is in the center. I plan to have 75% of the drain go into the skimmer section and 25% go into the refuge.