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I have a no name ro/di unit and am wanting to replace all the filters and membrane on. It resembles a spectrapure but filters are in the reverse order. Question is, since I cannot find anywhere that points me to finding out information on it can I just pick a membrane (say off of BRS) and put it in? I was thinking about going with the 75 gpd membrane

Thanks

Tyson
 
If we ever get together - I have a bulb and BNIB 75gpd membrane for you, probably some filters too...
 
LilRobb;779089 wrote: If we ever get together - I have a bulb and BNIB 75gpd membrane for you, probably some filters too...



Sweet.... Sounds like I need to make a trip out west. Got a buddy looking for some Tubbs Blues. U got any?
 
Tyson, take a look at this 150 GPD water saver upgrade from BRS. It is basically a 75 GPD RO membrane you piggyback onto your current 75 GPD unit. It doubles your RODI output, while cutting your wastewater down to 1:1. I love mine.

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BSR has a great system, I just switch to their's about a month ago! I can tell a big difference(I took the upgrade too), I have ran about 400 gallons thru it in about a month and my DI looks like new. I could have paid for my new BSR unit with just the DI filters I used in the last year.:D





Acroholic;779188 wrote: Tyson, take a look at this 150 GPD water saver upgrade from BRS. It is basically a 75 GPD RO membrane you piggyback onto your current 75 GPD unit. It doubles your RODI output, while cutting your wastewater down to 1:1. I love mine.

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Acroholic;779188 wrote: Tyson, take a look at this 150 GPD water saver upgrade from BRS. It is basically a 75 GPD RO membrane you piggyback onto your current 75 GPD unit. It doubles your RODI output, while cutting your wastewater down to 1:1. I love mine.

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/products/reverse-osmosis-filters-and-systems/ro-di-accessories/150-gpd-water-saving-upgrade-kit.html">http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/products/reverse-osmosis-filters-and-systems/ro-di-accessories/150-gpd-water-saving-upgrade-kit.html</a>[/QUOTE]


Awesome. Thanks!
 
Just make sure you have the correct flow restrictor on your RO unit, for the size of membrane(s) you are using.

Jenn
 
JennM;779234 wrote: Just make sure you have the correct flow restrictor on your RO unit, for the size of membrane(s) you are using.

Jenn
+1. I converted a 100 GPD RODI to a 75 GPD RODI, then added the second BRS water saver membrane. I had to remove the old 100 GPD rated restrictor and add a correct 75 GPD restrictor to the waste water line from the second membrane. Easy enough to do.
 
Remember that what folks call "waste water" really would be better thought of as "flush water" in that this water serves the important purpose of internally flushing the surface of the semipermeable membrane to keep the membrane from fouling/scaling.

When you configure a system with two membranes in series (the waste from the first membrane going to the "in" port on the second membrane), for this discussion let's say it's two 75 gpd membranes, the system behaves like you have a single long (75 gpd x 2) 150 gpd membrane.

Now - if you use a proper flow restrictor, that is, one for a 150 gpd membrane, you'll have about a 4:1 waste to product ratio. Sounds familiar, right?

If however you don't change the flow restrictor - meaning you keep using the same restrictor you were using when you just had one 75 gpd membrane, then you'll see a waste to product ratio much lower than 4:1. But remember that the recommendation for a ~4:1 ratio comes from the membrane manufacturer. They are telling you that you need about a 4:1 ratio to keep the membrane flushed and keep the membrane from fouling or building up scale. Run the system with a lower ratio and you will foul/scale the membrane(s) quicker than would have otherwise been the case.

Instead of adding a second membrane to lower that ratio, you could have just changed out your flow restrictor ($4) instead. A much less expensive approach to get you to the same endpoint in terms of saving on waste water.

Now, to confuse things just a bit. Filmtec specs call for the 4 to 1 ratio on the basis of assumptions about the water that will be supplied to the membrane. If you have very soft water you MAY be able to get a decent service life from the membrane running at a ratio lower than 4 to 1 (e.g., 3 to 1). Remember that the waste water from the first membrane is about 25% harder than your tap water.

Bottom line: If what you are after is reduced waste water, experiment with a different flow restrictor for $4 instead of messing around with a second membrane plumbed in series.

As a side note, you can also lower the ratio by increasing the pressure delivered to the membrane (with a booster pump), because flow restrictors are sized assuming you are providing factory spec conditions (50 psi and 77 degrees for Filmtec membranes). Increase the pressure and you'll drive more water through the membrane and viola - less waste water. But as I mentioned above, if you do this (just like over-restricting a membrane) - the lower the waste to product ratio, the shorter the lifespan on the membrane.

Makes sense?

Russ
 
Buckeye Field Supply;779244 wrote: Remember that what folks call "waste water" really would be better thought of as "flush water" in that this water serves the important purpose of internally flushing the surface of the semipermeable membrane to keep the membrane from fouling/scaling.

When you configure a system with two membranes in series (the waste from the first membrane going to the "in" port on the second membrane), for this discussion let's say it's two 75 gpd membranes, the system behaves like you have a single long (75 gpd x 2) 150 gpd membrane.

Now - if you use a proper flow restrictor, that is, one for a 150 gpd membrane, you'll have about a 4:1 waste to product ratio. Sounds familiar, right?

If however you don't change the flow restrictor - meaning you keep using the same restrictor you were using when you just had one 75 gpd membrane, then you'll see a waste to product ratio much lower than 4:1. But remember that the recommendation for a ~4:1 ratio comes from the membrane manufacturer. They are telling you that you need about a 4:1 ratio to keep the membrane flushed and keep the membrane from fouling or building up scale. Run the system with a lower ratio and you will foul/scale the membrane(s) quicker than would have otherwise been the case.

Instead of adding a second membrane to lower that ratio, you could have just changed out your flow restrictor ($4) instead. A much less expensive approach to get you to the same endpoint in terms of saving on waste water.

Now, to confuse things just a bit. Filmtec specs call for the 4 to 1 ratio on the basis of assumptions about the water that will be supplied to the membrane. If you have very soft water you MAY be able to get a decent service life from the membrane running at a ratio lower than 4 to 1 (e.g., 3 to 1). Remember that the waste water from the first membrane is about 25% harder than your tap water.

Bottom line: If what you are after is reduced waste water, experiment with a different flow restrictor for $4 instead of messing around with a second membrane plumbed in series.

As a side note, you can also lower the ratio by increasing the pressure delivered to the membrane (with a booster pump), because flow restrictors are sized assuming you are providing factory spec conditions (50 psi and 77 degrees for Filmtec membranes). Increase the pressure and you'll drive more water through the membrane and viola - less waste water. But as I mentioned above, if you do this (just like over-restricting a membrane) - the lower the waste to product ratio, the shorter the lifespan on the membrane.

Makes sense?

Russ

We had this same discussion last year Russ. You have to remember that this area has extremely low TDS in tap water, about 35-40. RO membranes last for many years around here. One ARC Member, Schwaggs, has/had one that went for 10 years before replacement, or thereabouts. The second membrane may not make sense in high TDS areas, but it works well around here.
 
Yep - Incoming TDS of 40 will allow for a whole bunch of shortcuts that aren't technically "appropriate"

And if what folks are after is really "less waste water," the more efficient way to get there is the change the $4 flow restrictor - not add a membrane plumbed in series.

Russ
 
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