Smelly Tanks

eggfong

New Member
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Even I can notice it now. The whole house smells like Beaufort SC at low tide. (Actually an odor I love but it puts guest off). </span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Yes I have salt creep but that's about it, what to do?</span></span>
 
A healthy tank shouldn't smell. What are your parameters?
 
Clean your skimmer more often if it's already green. I added an exhaust fan drawing air outside to help.
 
Getting ready to crash? Not good. The sand in the 125 and the 49 (they share a sump, one tank on one side of a wall and one on the other) came from Tampa Bay Salt Water about 8 years ago. The 90 has 3 to 4 year old sand and rock. I don't want to crash, perhaps mega water changes for a few weeks.

Thank you all for the prompt answers.
 
Deep sand or shallow sand? If shallow, do you vacuum it?

Have you checked your parameters?
 
Eggfong;742332 wrote: Getting ready to crash? Not good. The sand in the 125 and the 49 (they share a sump, one tank on one side of a wall and one on the other) came from Tampa Bay Salt Water about 8 years ago. The 90 has 3 to 4 year old sand and rock. I don't want to crash, perhaps mega water changes for a few weeks.

Thank you all for the prompt answers.


Old Tank Syndrome? Some say it doesn't really exist, but others say it happens...... Maybe a tank upgrade?

Try a massive waterchange and running lots of high quality carbon....
 
JennM, deep and shallow depending on where the critters move it. It's never been vacuumed. Check parameters? I don't even know where the kit is anymore.
DawgFace, no carbon since the last time the sea hare went all black out purple dye squirting on me, a year or so ago in the 90.
Dakota9, Old Tank Syndrome... I'll look into that. Massive water changes and carbon for a week or so, that's the plan.

You all are the best to jump in and help like this. Thank you.
 
Eggfong;742364 wrote: JennM, deep and shallow depending on where the critters move it. It's never been vacuumed. Check parameters? I don't even know where the kit is anymore.
DawgFace, no carbon since the last time the sea hare went all black out purple dye squirting on me, a year or so ago in the 90.
Dakota9, Old Tank Syndrome... I'll look into that. Massive water changes and carbon for a week or so, that's the plan.

You all are the best to jump in and help like this. Thank you.

If you haven't checked your parameters so long ago you don't know where the test kits are, you have more problems on the horizon (IMHO). I test the major parameters of my 125 once a week to be sure all is well. SG, AK, MG, PO4, NO3, PH, Ca, Mg (just to name a few).
When you do your water change, I would also suggest you syphon out some of the deep sand parts of the tank (from the bottom layer using a 1"-1.5" hose) and vacuum the sand, this will get a lot of Nitrates and detritus out of your tank and help some of your parameters. Just my opinion to help you out.
 
Old Tank Syndrome does not exist. Lazy Aquarist Syndrome DOES exist. We have tanks we've maintained for 10-11 years now - params are perfect. My shop systems have been running 10 years. No issues. There is no mystery to this - it's just consistent maintenance. If you don't keep on the maintenance, bad stuff happens, period.

No offense intended to OP, but by your own admission you haven't been monitoring parameters so a problem has arisen right under your nose (pardon the pun).

Test the water for starters - that will likely be a real eye-opener. I'd bet nitrates are high, for starters. Probably phosphates too. If the substrate has 8 years of poop in it that has never been vacuumed, that's the source of the smell. The decomposition of all the dirt in the substrate will stink for sure - and disturbing it now might cause an even larger set of problems when hydrogen sulfide is released.

I'd remove any fish, corals and inverts FIRST, then give the system a good overhaul and discard the putrid sand, and put a shallow layer of new, live sand.

Jenn
 
I have read somewhere about breaking the "bubble" in the sand and crashing a tank. Essentially, a lot of bad stuff builds up under the sand over time. Then one day it releases, by disturbing it or other means, and poof. Everything dies. I'm no expert, but thought I'd share what I read somewhere.

I agree with Jenn. Remove the goods and get rid of the bad. Since you have two tanks on the same system, it would be nice to isolate one tank for overhauling. Is that a possibility?
 
JBDreefs, yes I can isolate one from the other for overhauling. This is not going to be fun but I do intend to post the results, good or bad. Thanks all.
 
I added a MP40 to my tank and when I came home the next day my tank had a fishy smell. All inhabitants are fine. Parameters are normal. I'm assuming the pump just stirred up a lot of crud on the rocks and sand.
 
There is a 'convenience factor' in the bagged live sand when adding it to an existing tank. Biological factors aside, (which I know folks will argue, so that's not my main point) - if you get dry sand, it needs to be rinsed and rinsed and rinsed and even after much rinsing, you'll still get a "dust bowl" in your tank for a while. The moist, live sand, goes straight into the tank - no washing, and very little clouding - water should be clear again within an hour. Either way is an option - just offering up a bit of a time/work saver there.

I'd suggest having a depth of only about 3/4" to 1" and keeping it vacuumed going forward. I'm not a fan of the deep sand bed, but for those that do use it, it does need to be replaced every few years - it eventually gets saturated with crud and ceases to work properly. Deep Sand Beds are 4-6" in depth so OP doesn't really have that although it may be behaving as one that has reached its saturation point and is starting to cause problems.

I've always done the shallow sand method - keep it vacuumed, and like I said, we have tanks we've been maintaining for 10 and more years, without any issues. Consistency is the key.

Jenn
 
Jenn, interested in your input here... I know you can't draw a hard line, but generally speaking, at what point in the "I never vacuumed my sand" timeline would you say it is still OK to start doing it?
Not so much for me, because I'll be switching tanks soon... but for example, when I started in the hobby I really did make a diligent effort to read all I could. I read that I should not disturb the sand on an established tank, and I didn't. Now it's almost 3 years later, and this thread made me wonder... if I were</em> staying "in" this tank, would I be OK to start vacuuming in small sections, or would it be reset time? Somebody else has to be in the same boat...
 
It's a tough call, Barry. Before I'd make that determination I'd be asking a lot of questions. It also depends on the depth of the sand too, and the parameters and usually whatever problem may be occurring at that time. If it's a fairly new tank, normally there would be nothing to fear, but an old tank that may have all kinds of rotting crud (and SMELL) would be a huge red flag to me, to remove the livestock first, if at all possible.

I should also mention that removing the livestock without disturbing the sand also bears hazards. If there's lots of rock, that may need to be removed before it's even possible to remove the fish... and moving the rock can potentially open up a pocket.

It's a catch-22, really.

The best way to not find oneself in this precarious situation, is not to let things go in the first place, unfortunately. In this instance, that ship has sailed - so being aware of the hazards and making a plan, are the best ways to deal with it.

Jenn
 
bpatterson617;742514 wrote: So would you recommend a gravel vacuum to do a deeper clean on the sand bed? My only concern is that I have fairly fine sand and dont want to suck out the whole sand bed by only using a piece of tubing to clean the sand.

Pretty much my concern too. How do you vacuum the sand with out it all being pulled out in the process. I love the look of a nice white bed of fine sand but if I had to do it over again I think I would go to crushed coral. Or at least I would research crushed coral before just going with sand.
 
Not sure what I'd suggest, 126... especially if you're hitting pockets of H2O2. Pew! If it were me I'd probably do the same as I suggested for OP - take everything out and put it into another vessel and do a major overhaul on the display, thus not risking your livestock when you inevitably open the can of stank.

I remember about 10 years ago when the DSB craze was in full swing, I had friends more learned than me shaking their heads at me for not jumping on board. I'd always done the shallow sand/vacuum method, which has worked well for me, so I took the, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. About 3 or 4 years later, when those same folks started yanking their DSBs because of leaching problems, I asked one, "How's that workin' out for ya?" - he wasn't a happy camper :lol: (But he's a good sport or I wouldn't have razzed him about it.)

It appears from anecdotal experiences, that the DSB works well for a period of time, but once it's saturated/exhausted, if it's not replaced/replenished, then the problems begin.

In my experience, doing the shallow/vacuum method doesn't present any long-term issue. You'll lose a bit of sand from vacuuming, but it's easy enough to replace some if the bed thins a bit (I like the bagged live sand for this - no muss, no fuss, no cloudy water for more than an hour or so).

A lot of the folks I knew that had discarded their DSB went the other extreme - bare bottom. And for a while the "Starboard" bottom was popular - they covered the glass bottom with a product called Starboard which was some sort of boat product so one didn't have a bare glass bottom. That fad seemed to have died out too, in fairly short order.

The trick to vacuuming sand with a gravel vacuum is to crimp the hose to control flow. I'm right-handed, so I use my right hand to manipulate the gravel tube through the sand, and I use my left hand to crimp the hose to regulate the flow. I don't really run the siphon wide open when I'm vacuuming sand, I pretty much always have the hose crimped to some extent. If sand starts to go too high up the gravel tube, I crimp down to slow the flow, sand falls back down, but I leave enough flow to suck up the lighter detritus. The finer the sand, the more tricky that is to do, but it's not that difficult with a bit of practice. You *will* lose a bit of sand here and there, but once you get the hang of it, it's not a biggie.

And for those who think that vacuuming sand will suck out all the amphipods and stuff - I just don't see that. I've inspected plenty of buckets of waste water - I've let it settle to see if there are critters in it, and there aren't. I suppose it's possible to suck up a few, but they're quicker than that - if you've ever tried to harvest pods with a turkey baster or a siphon, it's not that easy.

Jenn
 
Back
Top