Starting My Cycle

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I have finally got my 180g filled with saltwater, 210lbs of LR, and lots of Carib-sea sand. The LR came from an established aquarium. I kept it wet and in the dark for 3 months prior to placing it in my 180. While moving the rock and filling the tank, the LR sat dry for about a day and a half to 2 days. Do you think it had enough time to "die-off" to start a good cycle. Should I help it by adding something to generate alot of waste (like a few raw table shrimp)? I'll be checking my ammonia level later today. I hope I see something.

Thanks
 
IMHO, I think that's more than enough time to generate plenty of die-off. Let us know your ammonia levels after you check it (and if it's not high enough you could always take a leak in your tank ;-)
 
I finally see an ammonia reading of 0.25ppm. The nitrite and nitrate readings are 0ppm. How high do I want the ammonia reading to get to ensure that a good cycle is established?

Also, I read somewhere that it may be a good idea to leave the skimmer off while the tank starts its cycle. Any thoughts on that?
 
Most people say leave the skimmer off so you don't skim out the spores released by the dying coralline algae. I say, if you got it - skim it.

I'm a bit confused here. I really like it that you cooked the rock for three months prior to use. You shouldn't have much in the way of nuissance algae. I cooked mine for two months. But why leave it dry for days? It was already cured and seeded with the beneficial bacteria. You could have just dunked, swished and aquascaped.

I think you'll see a mini cycle at best. All that initial cycle mumbo-jumbo is just die off wastes being processed during the curing, and you're well past that point after three months of curing and cooking.

Keep in mind that you will have a microcycle every time that you add any new life to your system. there is a lag between the time that you start adding more food and the tank generating the ability to process that extra food properly. Anything you add to one side of the equation will eventually be balanced on the other side. Go SLOW with the additions.

I'd hold off on doing any water changes until your nitrates plateau out. I'd wait about two weeks after the plateau to start the regular weekly water change routine. Don't worry about them unless they are well above the safe limits. They will come down and denitrification is established.

Have you added the sand yet? Now would be a good time if you haven't.
I admire your patience. I'm certain that it will pay off in the long run.
 
Dakota,

Thank you very much for the information. I am glad someone has given me some insight as to what to expect when using established LR. I had to let it dry for a day or so because I couldn't move the LR very fast due to my recent back surgery. I got it in the tank as soon as I was able (which was not very fast :) ).

About 10 days ago, I added 10 small table shrimp to the tank cause I never saw any ammonia. A few days later I got a reading of 0.25ppm ammonia which lasted about a week. The ammonia has read 0ppm for several days now. What really confuses me is that the nitrite never showed up in any test but my nitrates increased slightly from 0ppm to 10ppm.

Do you think I should remove the 10 decomposing shrimp from the tank? I am wondering if the tank has the necessary bacteria to support a fish yet?

Thanks again for any input! :up:

Matt
 
You're ready for a cleanup crew. Throw in ( alright, alright, after acclimating properly ) about 15 hermit crabs and let them have a Field Day with them there decomposing shrimp. That should make the little bas... I mean inverts happy for a while. Then toss in a few large pellets of Formula One a couple times a week to keep the little, cannibal bas... I mean crabs from killing each other. This extra bioload and nutrient input will continue building your beneficial nitrifying/denitrifying bacteria populations. Which is what a cycle is. You never actually stop cycling a tank. It is a dynamic system based entirely on the amount of nutrient input and the amount of suitable environment (surface area and oxygen level ) for the different bacteria.

Who told you to throw dead shrimp in your tank? That's just nasty!! LOL

Don't do the initail cycle with cheap and vicious little fish either. Use the hermits. They eat. They poop. They cycle your tank. They are stupid and slow and easy to catch. And it's fun to watch them beat each other up. And you will grow to hate them as I do some day. And on that day, banish them from thine sight and toss them into thine refugium where they will happily consume all of thine tank's wastes without tossing thine frags about.

And there was nitrite in your tank, ever so briefly, during and after all the ammonia was being consumed. You can't have nitrate without nitrite. No, sir. And it is still being produced in your tank as you read this. And it always will be. It's just that you already have such a good colony of bacteria established that they processed it the moment it was created. These bacteria are very opportunistic, and the moment you set the table, they eat.

You have already "Cured, Seeded, and Cycled" your rock, and hence your tank. Now the colonies need to be built up to support greater and greater bioloads. You will do this by adding the hermits and feeding the little, ingrate bas... I mean hermit crabs.

After a week or so start adding Cerith snails. They will work your sandbed. They will consume film algaes and detritus. They will eat the algae off the glass under the level of the sandbed like magic. They will fall off the sides of your tank and lay on the sand until you flip them over with a stick or the hermits kill them and take their shells.

What light cycle are you currently running? I'd advise actinics only until your coralline starts to take off. The coralline algae will protect the surface of your live rock from most nuisance algae. GARF recommends running actinic only for 2 weeks straight 24hrs a day. I tried it. No problems. Good bit of film algae on the glass that I let the Cerith and Astrea snails consume. I didn't clean it off. I figured that I would rather have it developing on the glass than the rock; and if it was growing on the glass, then it was consuming nutrients that might otherwise feed outbreaks on the rock. The snails loved it. Piece of cake to clean with a Magfloat at the end of the two weeks.

Then I spent two more weeks gradually bringing up the daylight and the dark cycles. I added an hour of daylight and 12 hours later an hour of darkness every day until I reached the cycle I wanted. Calculate your desired cycle, and use half hours for the first few days to make the process last two weeks. This will gradually increase the population of photosynthetic organisms and help to control any population explosions or pH swings. Your rocks have been in the dark for a long time. Bring them back into the light slowly.

Man. I envy your tank already. Except for them nasty shrimp. Yish!!
Glad to hear your back is better. Go easy on the aquascaping. It's always murder on both my back and my blood pressure.
 
Hey thanks for the info! I will follow your advice to the letter. :thumbs:

I had read on another forum that letting table shrimp decompose in a tank was more humane than using damsels for the initial cycle. Although some people I have talked to think damsels should not be treated humanely. lol They seem to be fiesty little guys who like to kick everyone's butt. :fish:

I have not turned the lights on for the tank so far. I have 2 pendants each with two 32W PCs and one 400W MH (4 PCs and 2 MHs total). The four PCs are acintics and I have a 20K MH and a 15K MH. I will definitely follow your advice on the light cycle. :up:

I will be sure to pick up a few crabs this week. I bet my kids will get a kick out of seeing the little bas...ds. lol

Thanks again!

Matt
 
What? Someone's actually listening to me and following my advice?

I can't believe it. You made my day!

Y'all will get a kick out of the hermits. It'll be nice to see some movement in the tank. They didn't seem to mind the continuous dawn/dusk during the 2 week actinic burn in, neither did the snails. The bluelegs are very attractive especially the larger they get, but very aggressive to other bluelegs. The redtip Mexican hermits are very active. A few scarlets are worth the extra money if you can find them. Very colorful. I'd avoid the zebras, electric blues or any others. They just get too big and aggressive.

You might want to get some small pellet Formula Two. I fed my hermits that for a very long time. Still do. It is a bit more rounded nutritionally with extra algae. Probably more like what hermits would comprehensively consume in the wild. Mine are over a year old, and I've never lost one or had them kill anything.

Hermits are nocturnal if well fed. If you see them out during the daylight it means they are looking for food. But after they get used to the 24 hr lighting you'll see them active whenever. After you finalize the lighting schedule, they'll return to their normal behavior. Most people don't feed them. That's why they have so much trouble with them killing snails and each other. After a bit of experimentation, you'll find the line that keeps them from starving but keeps them scavenging.

BTW- I waited four months before I added my first coral and eight months before adding the first fish. Still want to follow my advice? LOL

The key is to establish all of the supporting microflora and fauna, macroalgaes and corals before adding the top organisms. At the moment you are establishing a suitable environment for the addition of each higher organism. The supporting organisms must be in place and well established before the next level can have a chance to thrive as well.

Take it one step at a time. I know you want fish and SPS now, but a lot of experts say to wait a year for your tank to mature before adding them. I learned to enjoy each step. It was fun watching the pods steal the food from the hermits and run towards a hole in the rock as the hermits chased them only to have a bristleworm appear from the hole and steal the food from the pod and disappear back into the hole with the pod chasing it. Those were the days... LOL
 
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