This is a real Sopranos
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I'm jealous lol I want one but not big balling like some..... shrugs
You're missing my point - you don't KNOW what is real, and what not. You judge by fancy pics or even appearance.
I agree it is a beautiful specimen, but whether real or not can only the person answer that gave this zoa its name.
And even then - who says there weren't two of these colonies shipped to two different 'name givers'?
Anyway - OVER and OUT
im going to have to side with rob on this one. this coral came from the ocean at some point. it was then shipped to the distributors that cut it up and shipped it out. even IF the whole colony went to one "name giver" the chances that it was the only one of its kind in the entire ocean is remote (and a travesty that it was harvested).
Supply and demand.., pay to play, take your pick....
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I can only play on the 10$ buy in table but love to ball with the best!Oh yeah,nice paly!
that's always the argument for le and rare corals...what I'm saying is they arnt so "rare". just because someone put a name on a coral does not make it exclusive. now, as rob pointed out, if you tested the DNA and it was unique then you may have a leg to stand on regarding price HOWEVER naming something does not change its DNA.
i suggest to you though that the reason we have this debate over and over is that people need to justify the prices they paid. if the coral is worth the price to you by all means pay it. buy a 1000 i support you (i have some le/designer coral in my tank this very moment. couldn't tell you their names though i bought them purely based on their appearance.). but please recognize that naming these corals do not make them rare. they create the illusion of exclusivity.
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Just because we can't(or don't) do DNA tests on a coral we can still call something rare. If you don't see something in the hobby very often than it is rare to the hobby. Sure there might be tons of it in the ocean, but if very few people are collecting it and we are not seeing many frags of that particular coral in the hobby than it is rare to the hobby.
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We can also suggest the same to the opposite side of the debate. People that can't afford LE corals typically say that corals shouldn't be LE or "named".
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We can also suggest the same to the opposite side of the debate. People that can't afford LE corals typically say that corals shouldn't be LE or "named".
in this particular case though that is not what we are seeing. the statement was there were many "fakes" but this was the real thing.... if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its prob a duck... i happen to have a paly in my tank this very moment that looks remarkably similar to the paly in the original post. didnt pay any where near 250 for it, but it wasnt what i would consider "cheap".
when you start calling a coral fake because it doesnt carry a name is where you lose me. if i buy a sopranos paly for 250 and then turn around and sell it without using the name would i still get away with the 250 price tag? i highly doubt it...but its the same coral.
keep in mind water conditions, lighting, and cameras all will make a coral look a little different too... i take this exact paly, put it in my tank (lets assume different lighting), use my camera and turn around and make this same post the two corals are going to look slightly different.
when you start calling a coral fake because it doesnt carry a name is where you lose me. if i buy a sopranos paly for 250 and then turn around and sell it without using the name would i still get away with the 250 price tag? i highly doubt it...but its the same coral.
keep in mind water conditions, lighting, and cameras all will make a coral look a little different too... i take this exact paly, put it in my tank (lets assume different lighting), use my camera and turn around and make this same post the two corals are going to look slightly different.
well how about some one find me a bahama mama or rainbow magic look alike..? what about something "more common" like my miami?
some are just more "rare"...
some are just more "rare"...
John1014;755455 wrote: If you were really interested in DNA, you could do the cytochrome oxidase a,b,c genotyping for cheap enough. I could do it here in the lab with ease. I would just need a generic primer pair, some cheap PCR reagents, a couple bucks to send it off for sequencing, and the most expensive part, the actual corals to extract genomic DNA from. However, there's no guarantee it would ever show anything "special" about the corals. The DNA may read out exactly the same as some Darth Mauls, and if it is just a freak morph from a colony of them, it probably will. You would need a much more sensitive (and expensive) genetic analysis if you really wanted to compare two corals which were very morphologically similar in order to confirm authenticity using DNA.
Sorry. Just nerding out. For now, I'm happy just going with a name and somebody's word to tell me that my corals are authentic.
Thanks John,
You got my point...
