total flow numbers

kayakATL;477779 wrote: Ok well then I guess the next important question. I hear for SPS 50x turnover rate. (I think I will be closer to 40x-40x) but is this based on Gross volume or net volume? There is a big difference between 50x 92 gal and 50x 70 gal... like 1000 gal/hr difference. Thats the difference between using a mag 12 and 18 for closed loop return.

Posted flow rates you find on websites are a generalization. Flow in an SPS tank is critical to keep clean water pushing in and around the colony which keeps crud from settleing within it. But there are variables even with this.

Let's say you have 2 seperate tanks. Everything identical between them except that one is stocked only with softball size birdnest corals and the other is stocked with Acro or staghorn type corals with a large diameter branch. The tank with the birdsnest is going to need a much, much higher flow throughout as they grow in such a tight form and they create turbulence within themselves that restricts water movement inside the tight branched colony. The other thick branched SPS tank could withstand a much lower flow as the water is less restricted getting through and around it. I'm not trying to imply that you can slap an MJ1200 on a couple of thick branched acros and be fine.

There's probably a much easier way to explain it than what I just did but I hope it gives you an idea of what I'm trying to say about the variable factors of flow "requirements".
 
Hackman72;477809 wrote: Posted flow rates you find on websites are a generalization. Flow in an SPS tank is critical to keep clean water pushing in and around the colony which keeps crud from settleing within it. But there are variables even with this.

Let's say you have 2 seperate tanks. Everything identical between them except that one is stocked only with softball size birdnest corals and the other is stocked with Acro or staghorn type corals with a large diameter branch. The tank with the birdsnest is going to need a much, much higher flow throughout as they grow in such a tight form and they create turbulence within themselves that restricts water movement inside the tight branched colony. The other thick branched SPS tank could withstand a much lower flow as the water is less restricted getting through and around it. I'm not trying to imply that you can slap an MJ1200 on a couple of thick branched acros and be fine.

There's probably a much easier way to explain it than what I just did but I hope it gives you an idea of what I'm trying to say about the variable factors of flow "requirements".
Well most my flow is done with a copuple maxijet 1200's. Anybody that has seen my tank will tell you the SPS are doing just fine LOL. Given they push out over 2000gph each but they are still maxijets :yes:. I also think the opposite when it comes to flow. IMHO its more to push nutrients past the polyps for feeding. My ORA green birdsnest is the size of a volleyball and actually sits in one of the lower flow spots in my tank.
 
Ok, so at minimum I need 3680 gph turn over in my tank. I think that may be a challenge. Considering the shape of the tank being a corner I foresee a lot of flow "riding" the front glass. Do you think I can get away with less? I am REALLY trying to avoid PH in my tank but 2 mag 18's seems totally excessive for a 90 gal tank to me. Perhaps I am severly underestimating my real requirements but I was thinking running a mag 12 with 4 feet of head through a SCWD would be plenty. I guess the shape of the tank is throwing me off. If anyone has a corner tank please chime in with what you are using!
 
hey no problem mark, we are in this thing together bro.

ok so john/hackman, which pump in your opinions should i be using in the tank?
i realize opinions will differ for different reasons and im ok with that.
its a learning experience and in the end i'll pick what i think i need.
 
johnr2604;477822 wrote: Well most my flow is done with a copuple maxijet 1200's. Anybody that has seen my tank will tell you the SPS are doing just fine LOL. Given they push out over 2000gph each but they are still maxijets :yes:. I also think the opposite when it comes to flow. IMHO its more to push nutrients past the polyps for feeding. My ORA green birdsnest is the size of a volleyball and actually sits in one of the lower flow spots in my tank.

I agree with you on everything here. I have koralias running in mine and have 2 MJ1200 to eleviate dead spots. Not sure what you mean by you see the opposite reasons for flow. I've always known the importance of flow to bring the nutrients in and get the waste out and away with respect to the colonies. It sounded right in my head but I guess comes across differently in type...lol...nothing new for me there.
 
kayakATL;477830 wrote: Ok, so at minimum I need 3680 gph turn over in my tank. I think that may be a challenge. Considering the shape of the tank being a corner I foresee a lot of flow "riding" the front glass. Do you think I can get away with less? I am REALLY trying to avoid PH in my tank but 2 mag 18's seems totally excessive for a 90 gal tank to me. Perhaps I am severly underestimating my real requirements but I was thinking running a mag 12 with 4 feet of head through a SCWD would be plenty. I guess the shape of the tank is throwing me off. If anyone has a corner tank please chime in with what you are using!
Your flow is gonna need to be spread out. 3680 is easilly obtainable in a 92 tank if its spread out. If you don't want to go the powerhead route you are going to need multiple returns with diffusers on your closed loop to keep the direct flow down and spread it out on that tank probably.
 
Hackman72;477837 wrote: I agree with you on everything here. I have koralias running in mine and have 2 MJ1200 to eleviate dead spots. Not sure what you mean by you see the opposite reasons for flow. I've always known the importance of flow to bring the nutrients in and get the waste out and away with respect to the colonies. It sounded right in my head but I guess comes across differently in type...lol...nothing new for me there.
I guess I focused on the "clean water" you actually want nutrient rich water. A lot of people focus on keeping low nutrient systems when in all actuality a natural reef is pretty nutrient rich. It just has to be the right nutrients. As far as ditritus goes the higher flow absolutely helps with that
 
johnr2604;477843 wrote: I guess I focused on the "clean water" you actually want nutrient rich water. A lot of people focus on keeping low nutrient systems when in all actuality a natural reef is pretty nutrient rich. It just has to be the right nutrients. As far as ditritus goes the higher flow absolutely helps with that

I will be running 2 separate loops. So far as flow that will not be running through any filtration. I will be pushing dirty (nutrient rich) only water through it. My sump will be getting about 350 gph. I may up that down the road if I see the need. I am moving my part of this back to my build thread.
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ricksconnected;477835 wrote: hey no problem mark, we are in this thing together bro.

ok so john/hackman, which pump in your opinions should i be using in the tank?
i realize opinions will differ for different reasons and im ok with that.
its a learning experience and in the end i'll pick what i think i need.
Rick, I would recommend a quiet one 3000 or 4000. I like the quiet ones a little better than the mags. They move the same amount of water at almost half the wattage.
 
johnr2604;477863 wrote: Rick, I would recommend a quiet one 3000 or 4000. I like the quiet ones a little better than the mags. They move the same amount of water at almost half the wattage.

+1 to the Quiet One 4000
 
Hackman72;477869 wrote: +1 to the Quiet One 4000

My return pump now is a quiet one, and I have had no issues with it. I may use quiet ones for the new tank as well. I do recommend the brand. A little cheaper too!
 
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