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Done with the Hagen test:

Calcium: 540
KH/Alk: 140

Done with the API master Kit:
PH: 8.1
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0

I do not dose anything for calcium or alkalinity and this my first time testing this water..is there anything that needs to be done to my water before i start adding more corals to the tank??
 
I did two trades with 2 diff people and will be recieving this stuff in the next couple of days

Ricordia, zoas, staghorn, GSP, palys, and candycane (I think not sure bout candy cane)
 
jaydm93teg;184284 wrote: I did two trades with 2 diff people and will be recieving this stuff in the next couple of days

Ricordia, zoas, staghorn, GSP, palys, and candycane (I think not sure bout candy cane)

If you want stonys, i.e., Staghorn (assume Acropora?), and candy cane, you'll need to have Calcium & ALK on a stable Calcium & ALK supplementation. In addition, for that Acro, you will need to keep phosphates & nitrates very low (you'll need kits to measure lower resolutions). Just go with the softies for now, and wait and see how they do. In the meantime, read up on SPS & LPS coral keeping. Either way, you don't want to add that many corals in your tank at once.
 
What??? Staghorns are not very hardy.. More often then not they fail from low levels of phosphate or nitrate...
 
blind1993;184323 wrote: candycanes and staghorns are pretty tough

sorry, but in order to keep acros your system must ne very, very stable with calcium, Alk, mag, & low levels of phosphates & nitrates. U also need MH or T-5 lighting & random flow that is extremely high.
 
you cannot keep acros without dosimg calcium, Alk, Mag either
 
yea I do have an 8 t5 light set up and I will be rising calc and alk the only thing I haven't checked is phosphates. The stag frag is coming from barb if I understood her right its coming from a tank with poor water condition.

I have a tabu where my frogspawn are doing perfect growing and growing

But like I said I will be dosimg on a regular basis
 
ok, I'm sorry, but if it's your first parem test, you have no idea how unstable vs stable your tank is. Putting an acro into your tank will be certain death.
 
tank been up for 3 months but my nano that has the frogspawn has been up about 7 months so if the stag does bad in my 80 I will put it in my nano..... And mystery no need to apologize I appreciate ur honesty I was just saying I would be dosing thanks for all your help with this
 
If you're not dosing calcium it's not possible for your calcium level to be that high without your specific gravity also being close to 1.030 due to overdosing of salt. No salt company adds that much calcium to their mix.

Redo the test taking time to allow the drops to fully form. Smaller drops will give you a false high calcium reading because smaller drops mean more drops to multiply by. Manufacturers have specific hole and tip sizes to establish a specific drop size.

You can also increase accuracy by giving step one more time. Step one is where the acid precipitates out the magnesium from the sample. Mg will show up as calcium if not precipitated out of solution.
 
Well my gravity is 1.026 test it everyday.

I DO NOT dose ANYTHING......

I had the LFS do a test he came up with his numbers calcium at 550

I then bought my own calcium test....it is a single test buy itself just calcium did the test took me seriously 20 to 30 min. and i got 540.

I will do it again tomm. but if the guy at the LFS gets 550 and i get 540 i would say its probably somewhere in that range.
 
That is almost impossible to maintain in that range because the calcium will precipitate out, lowering your ALK.
 
mysterybox;184349 wrote: you cannot keep acros without dosimg calcium, Alk, Mag either

How can you say thta? I know people personally and see their tanks at least once a week and all of their acros are amazingly colored and bright. I know for a fact one has never ever dosed anything, just because of the salts that he uses.
 
............because acro & stonies deplete Calcium, Mag, Alk, & trace elements on a continuous basis and need an "unlimited supply" in order to grow. Unless they are doing massive water changes frequently and their corals are small, it would be very difficult at best to do so. Short term, it can happen, but in the long run PH, Calcium levels, ALK levels will eventually fall off. It is possible, just not very practical & stable.

here is an article from Randy Holmes-Farley on this subject:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2003/chem.htm">http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2003/chem.htm</a>


and here is his quote from that article:

[B]<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Water Changes</span>[/B]

<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">The one thing going for water changes is that it is hard to screw them up chemically (aside from salinity, pH and temperature). The bad thing is that it is impossible to replace more than a tiny amount of lost calcium and alkalinity to a tank in this way. If salt mixes were available with higher than natural seawater levels of calcium and carbonate alkalinity, then this system could be a good one for tanks with a very low demand for calcium and alkalinity. Unfortunately, most salt mixes do not fit that description, and so the best that one can typically attain using this method, regardless of the number or size of the water changes, is not quite as good as the starting salt mix, which themselves are often not as good as natural seawater.</span>
 
<u>Recommendation Details:<span style="color: #ff0000;"> Critical Parameters</span></u>
Calcium
Many corals use calcium to form their skeletons, which are composed primarily of calcium carbonate. The corals get most of the calcium for this process from the water surrounding them. Consequently, calcium often becomes depleted in aquaria housing rapidly growing corals, calcareous red algae, Tridacnids and Halimeda</em>. As the calcium level drops below 360 ppm, it becomes progressively more difficult for the corals to collect enough calcium, thus stunting their growth.
Maintaining the calcium level is one of the most important aspects of coral reef aquarium husbandry. Most reef aquarists try to maintain approximately http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">natural levels of calcium</span></a> in their aquaria (~420 ppm). It does not appear that boosting the calcium concentration above natural levels enhances calcification (i.e., skeletal growth) in most corals. Experiments on Stylophora pistillata, for example, show that low calcium levels limit calcification, but that levels above about 360 ppm do not increase calcification.<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">3</span> Exactly why this happens was detailed in a previous article on the [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/apr2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">molecular mechanisms of calcification in corals</span></a>.
For these reasons,[B] I suggest that aquarists maintain a calcium level between about 380 and 450 ppm.[/B] I also suggest using a [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2003/chem.htm"><span style="color: #810081;">balanced calcium and alkalinity additive system</span></a> for routine maintenance. The most popular of these balanced methods include limewater (kalkwasser), calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors, and the two-part additive systems.
If calcium is depleted and needs to be raised significantly, however, such a balanced additive is not a good choice since it will raise alkalinity too much. In that case, [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">adding calcium chloride</span></a> is a good method for raising calcium.
[B]Alkalinity[/B]
Like calcium, many corals also use "alkalinity" to form their skeletons, which are composed primarily of calcium carbonate. It is generally believed that [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/apr2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">corals take up bicarbonate</span></a>, convert it into carbonate, and then use that carbonate to form calcium carbonate skeletons. That conversion process is shown as:
HCO<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">3</span>- <span style="font-family: Wingdings;">à</span> CO<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">3</span>-- + H<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">+</span>
Bicarbonate <span style="font-family: Wingdings;">à</span> Carbonate + acid
To ensure that corals have an adequate supply of bicarbonate for calcification, aquarists could very well just measure bicarbonate directly. Designing a test kit for bicarbonate, however, is somewhat more complicated than for alkalinity. Consequently, the use of alkalinity as a surrogate measure for bicarbonate is deeply entrenched in the reef aquarium hobby.
So, [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2002/chemistry.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">what is alkalinity</span></a>? Alkalinity in a marine aquarium is simply a measure of the amount of acid (H<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">+</span>) required to reduce the pH to about 4.5, where all bicarbonate is converted into carbonic acid as follows:
HCO<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">3</span>- + H<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">+</span> <span style="font-family: Wingdings;">à</span> H<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">2</span>CO<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">3</span>
In normal seawater or marine aquarium water, the bicarbonate greatly dominates all [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2002/chemistry.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">other ions that contribute to alkalinity</span></a>, so knowing the amount of H<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">+</span> needed to reduce the pH to 4.5 is akin to knowing how much bicarbonate is present. Aquarists have therefore found it convenient to use alkalinity as a surrogate measure for bicarbonate.
One important caveat to this surrogate measure is that some artificial seawater mixes, such as Seachem salt, contain [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/dec2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">elevated concentrations of borate</span></a>. While borate is natural at low levels, and does contribute to [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/dec2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">pH stability</span></a>, too much interferes with the normal relationship between bicarbonate and alkalinity, and aquaria using those mixes must take this difference into account when [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/dec2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">determining the appropriate alkalinity level</span></a>.
Unlike the calcium concentration, it is widely believed that certain organisms calcify more quickly at alkalinity levels higher than those in normal seawater. This result has also been demonstrated in the scientific literature, which has shown that adding bicarbonate to seawater increases the rate of calcification in [I]Porites porites</em>.<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">4</span> In this case, doubling the bicarbonate concentration resulted in a doubling of the calcification rate. Uptake of bicarbonate can apparently become rate limiting in many corals.<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">5</span> This may be partly due to the fact that both photosynthesis and calcification are competing for bicarbonate, and that the external bicarbonate concentration is not large to begin with (relative to, for example, the calcium concentration).
For these reasons, [B]alkalinity maintenance is a critical aspect of coral reef aquarium husbandry[/B]. In the absence of supplementation, alkalinity will rapidly drop as corals use up much of what is present in seawater. Most reef aquarists try to maintain alkalinity at levels at or slightly above those of normal seawater, although exactly what levels different aquarists target depend a bit on the goals of their aquaria. Those wanting the most rapid skeletal growth, for example, often push alkalinity to higher levels. [B]I suggest that aquarists maintain alkalinity between about 2.5 and 4 meq/L (7-11 dKH, 125-200 ppm CaCO<span style="font-size: 1-1px;">3</span> equivalents)[/B], although higher levels are acceptable as long as they do not depress the calcium level.
Alkalinity levels above those in natural seawater increase the [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">abiotic (nonbiological) precipitation of calcium carbonate</span></a> on objects such as heaters and pump impellers. This precipitation not only wastes calcium and alkalinity that aquarists are carefully adding, but it also increases equipment maintenance requirements. When elevated alkalinity is driving this precipitation, it can also depress the calcium level. A raised alkalinity level can therefore create undesirable consequences.
I suggest that aquarists use a [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2003/chem.htm"><span style="color: #810081;">balanced calcium and alkalinity additive system</span></a> of some sort for routine maintenance. The most popular of these balanced methods include limewater (kalkwasser), calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors, and the two-part additive systems.
For [IMG]http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm"><span style="color: #0000ff;">rapid alkalinity corrections</span></a>, aquarists can simply use baking soda or washing soda to good effect.
 
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