Z's P's receding and fish fins tattered

[seth the wine guy]

As the title says. The tail fins especially on many of my fish are looking "tattered" and it looks as though I have zoa colonies melting down. Is this a textbook symptom for anything in particular? Not ALL fish or zoa's are displaying these symptoms. Only the high dollar zoa's are mad. Hornets and Rasta's in particular. LPS seems fine and happy. SPS is not much different than it usually is.

Thanks!

 

[dakota9]

Is it the webbing of the fish tails receding or the whole tale looking tattered?

Stray voltage been checked recently?

 

[ralph atl]

get some Selcon and PE Mysis.....

pm Jeremy for posible fish diseases....

 

[seth the wine guy]

On the Powder Blue, the tail and other fins. Same with the Cherub Angel. Anthias, just the tails. There are only three sources of possible stray voltage. I removed the one I think is most likely to be a possibility. That leaves only my Finnex 800w SS heater and SRO 3000int skimmer. There are no other power cords in the water other than probes now.

Edit:

mysterybox;717715 wrote: get some Selcon and PE Mysis.....

pm Jeremy for posible fish diseases....

I need some other supplies tomorrow anyway. I'll ask. I keep trying to get pics but the buggers are just too darn fast.

 

[ralph atl]

There is no such thing as stray voltage, btw..if u stick your hand in the water do u get shocked? If not, move on..

 

[seth the wine guy]

mysterybox;717724 wrote: .if u stick your hand in the water do u get shocked? If not, move on..

Ok, good. I didn't want to stick more things in the water than my hand to check.

BTW Ralph, I really think you need to change your signature to include something eluding to GFO master. You are the GFO champion. I'm into my third month of use and might need your input.

 

[dawgface]

Ok, good. I didn't want to stick more things in the water than my hand to check.

BTW Ralph, I really think you need to change your signature to include something eluding to GFO master. You are the GFO champion. I'm into my third month of use and might need your input.[/QUOTE]


First thing I'd do is atleast a 25% WC, add or channe carbon and throw in a few poly pads. That will atleast take care of or change direction on pollutants and organics.

Ellaborate on the GFO thing.

 

[seth the wine guy]

DawgFace;717735 wrote:

Ok, good. I didn't want to stick more things in the water than my hand to check.

BTW Ralph, I really think you need to change your signature to include something eluding to GFO master. You are the GFO champion. I'm into my third month of use and might need your input.[/QUOTE]


First thing I'd do is atleast a 25% WC, add or channe carbon and throw in a few poly pads. That will atleast take care of or change direction on pollutants and organics.

Ellaborate on the GFO thing.

Please expand. I can do WC now but if I need to cut flow to the GFO tell me that too.

 

[dawgface]

<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I was more curious to the story behind the GFO for personal PO4 problems myself. I would not have associated your problems with GFO but beings you are mentioning it I would assume the problems started around the addition of the GFO? </span></span>

 

[ralph atl]

GFO 99.9% sure had nothing to do with fish.

it should have very little impact on corals, however, if you have high levels of phates, and quickly reduce them with gfo, the corals might not have enough time to aclimate...

gfo should look like it's percolating on the top.....just about to boil on the surface with a pop now and then...

 

[dawgface]

Agreed

The .01% could only come from improper rinsing or high flow which can cause the GFO to break up. In both of these senario's you should have a very noticable haze in the tank. Even then I'm not sure if would effect the fish....

 

[ralph atl]

agreed

 

[seth the wine guy]

mysterybox;717740 wrote: GFO 99.9% sure had nothing to do with fish.

it should have very little impact on corals, however, if you have high levels of phates, and quickly reduce them with gfo, the corals might not have enough time to aclimate...

gfo should look like it's percolating on the top.....just about to boil on the surface with a pop now and then...

Agreed to the possible bad effects of quickly changing the PO4 params. That's why I've tried to slowly introduced GFO for PO4 removal. I have a Hanna Bench PO4 testing photometer to track the PO4 reduction speed. I test every three to four days. It's taken me 8 weeks to go from .24 PO4 to .04 PO4. Is that too fast?

 

[ralph atl]

do u have a good phosphate test kit? I run an ULNS with nothing but positive results on Zoa.....I only have issues at rare times if it's not percolating on the top (which I changed my pump and added less rox carbon) which when I increased food & Selcon, added to phates causing an issue with algae & sps...most have recovered nicely now, some still in recovery phase.....Zoa, lps, none issue...fish...none issue.

 

[seth the wine guy]

DawgFace;717741 wrote: Agreed

The .01% could only come from improper rinsing or high flow which can cause the GFO to break up. In both of these senario's you should have a very noticable haze in the tank. Even then I'm not sure if would effect the fish....

Would ozone help clear the haze quicker?

 

[ralph atl]

Seth The Wine Guy;717743 wrote: Agreed to the possible bad effects of quickly changing the PO4 params. That's why I've tried to slowly introduced GFO for PO4 removal. I have a Hanna Bench PO4 testing photometer to track the PO4 reduction speed. I test every three to four days. It's taken me 8 weeks to go from .24 PO4 to .04 PO4. Is that too fast?

that's a good time frame actually....albeit some corals could have issues...I doubt it though...try feeding your corals some oyster eggs or cyclo-peeze.....easy fix.

 

[seth the wine guy]

mysterybox;717746 wrote: that's a good time frame actually....albeit some corals could have issues...I doubt it though...try feeding your corals some oyster eggs or cyclo-peeze.....easy fix.

I use oyster eggs about twice a week. The Chalice really go crazy over it more than the others. I still give it to all the SPS. After I do that, I give out the mysis. Use a turkey baster. Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean the Chalice go crazy after the oyster eggs. Will eat anything you throw.

Spot feed every LPS with the mysis. Leave the flow off and watch all the Chalice gobble down the shrimp. Pellets too! I can't believe how these guys eat pellets. I never thought the CORALS would eat pellets.

Cyclopeze is given out once a day. I use the frozen stick. Great to dip

 

[ralph atl]

You are feeding your corals way too much...way, way too much. Once a week period.twice tops.

 

[irahmatulla]

mysterybox;717748 wrote: You are feeding your corals way too much...way, way too much. Once a week period.twice tops.

+1 I alternate between cyclopeze and reef snow. Once each a week, and spot feed lps about every 10-12 days.

Rule of thumb if you ever have a noticable problem, do a WC.

Random question, surprised no one has asked yet. Aside from GFO have you had any new additions to the tank lately? Maybe something from somewhere not so reputable? Bad acclimation? Even microscopic predators can be a threat to our reef. Temperature fluctuations? A stressed fish can shred fin, and I have lost coral due to tank temp going too high. Maybe the ambient temperature of your house has risen and heater has not lowered. (not familiar with your setup, just thinking out loud here)

 

[dakota9]

mysterybox;717724 wrote: There is no such thing as stray voltage, btw..if u stick your hand in the water do u get shocked? If not, move on..

Do This barefooted for the true test........