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Ok so I'm going from a 30g tank to a 420g system so there is alot I don't know! The demensions are 72" long, 28" deep, and 36" tall. We're going to run 3 400w 10000k mhs with 2 48" T5 atenics. This is going to be a full blown reef. We will keep sps, lps, and softies. We have a uv sterilizer so that will help with the tangs. Since the tank is tall we will put sps ontop. Lps in the mddle, and softies twords the botem. The tank itself is 320g with 75g sump, and with all the pipes it's 420g. SO here goes the fish list, any advice would help alot.

1 hippo tang (one yellow bellied one regular)
1 unicorn tang
1 purple tang
1 chevron tang
1 sailfin tang
1 achilies tang
1 yellow tang
3x blue chromis
2 fire fish boy
2 purple fire fish goby
1 oceallaris clownfish (pair)
1 onyx clownfish (pair)
1 picosso clownfish (pair)
1 naked clownfish (pair)
3x flasher wrasse trio (1 male 2 female)
assorted fairy and flasher wrasses
assorted gobies and blennies
a school of anthiases (what is the best type?)
3 pj cardinals
3 bangii cardinals
Also plan to do 4-5 golden dwarf morays

Any advice would help,
Thanks, Diane
 
Also, I'm gonna need the most help with the tangs, wrasses (fairy and flashers) , and anthiasis.
Thanks, Diane
 
even for a 430, that seems like too many fish. Will it be a center piece, or against a wall? I ask because the clowns would be territorial and need "their own space" and a display all around would likely give them and the tangs space of their own.

I love my sailfin, so Id say go for that one, lol. The trick would be getting them all in either at once, or if you spread it out, minimizing aggression by rearranging tank or some other tactic esp later on when you have say 5 already in there. The stock list hits most of my favs. your missing inverts tho?

good luck, and my uneducated responce would be to reduce your fish count for now at least...
 
stickx911;251875 wrote: even for a 430, that seems like too many fish. Will it be a center piece, or against a wall? I ask because the clowns would be territorial and need "their own space" and a display all around would likely give them and the tangs space of their own.

I love my sailfin, so Id say go for that one, lol. The trick would be getting them all in either at once, or if you spread it out, minimizing aggression by rearranging tank or some other tactic esp later on when you have say 5 already in there. The stock list hits most of my favs. your missing inverts tho?

good luck, and my uneducated responce would be to reduce your fish count for now at least...
Only posted a fish list sofar. The tank is against the wall but the rock work is really open so all the fish will have alot of room. IF its to many fish I'll take some off the list.
 
blind1993;251878 wrote: also she cant rearrange the rocks, its all connected togther.
Ya, forgot to mention. Well, I can actually move the two peices that stick out. Would that shake every one up enough to except a new fish?
 
I have a 210 with alot of tangs. Watch out with the purple tang he is the smallest in the tank and goes after my nine inch sail fin,he is very aggressive. The achilies tang is prone ich, but beautiful. Also we had two pairs of clowns and they killed each other because they were all about the same size.As far as Anthiases if you want five buy ten, meaning half will die. Thats the experience I have had.
 
You might be able to get by with 2 pair... but thats provided they each have a side of the tank and their own nem. I have 4 ocellaris and 1 maroon and the larger ocellaris often try to take the nem from the maroon. The other ocellaris host a powerhead. :lol2:
 
roughly 40+ or - fish on the list. Not bad..... considering I have 14 or so in my 90. :lol2:
 
That is not too many fish, I have about that in my 300gal system. I tried the purple tang, but he was too agressive. My achilas tang did die of ich though.
You just need a good skimmer, I have a MRC-4R, which is way overrated for my system, but I don't have to worry about wast build up and can upgrade to that bigger tank later.
 
Some of those tangs get very large; your tank is simply not deep enough for them. The rock structure takes up some considerable space from what I can remember. SO, how much room is really in the tank (14-18?); this makes for a very narrow tank; this will make it akward for the large fish to turn around.
 
Revised fish list:

1 hippo tang
1 unicorn tang
1 sailfin tang
1 achilies tang
1 yellow tang
3x blue chromis
1 fire fish goby
purple fire fish goby
1 oceallaris clownfish (pair)
3x flasher wrasse trio (1 male 2 female)
assorted fairy and flasher wrasses
assorted gobies and blennies
a school of anthiases (what is the best type?)
3 pj cardinals
3 bangii cardinals
Also plan to do 4-5 golden dwarf morays
 
I actually already have an oceallaris clownfish pair in my 30, and I really like them. My dad likes clownfish also so he was wondering if he could get himself a pair aswell. Do you think 2 pairs would work?

Barbara;251985 wrote: I think you'll be happy with the Occellaris clowns. Even though they are probably the most "common", they are also quite endearing. I love my pair! And with the flasher and fairy wrasses, you can't go wrong. I currently have 5 and hope to add more soon. They all get along fine. (They will harass any newcomer for a few days, but then they will all settle in.)

Good luck. I would love to be in your position of setting up a big tank like that.
 
Thank you for researching first! You will have a lot better time reefing/fishing (lol) this way. Good job!

twistoflime;251979 wrote: Revised fish list:

1 hippo tang
1 unicorn tang
1 sailfin tang
1 achilies tang
1 yellow tang
3x blue chromis
1 fire fish goby
purple fire fish goby
1 oceallaris clownfish (pair)
3x flasher wrasse trio (1 male 2 female)
assorted fairy and flasher wrasses
assorted gobies and blennies
a school of anthiases (what is the best type?)
3 pj cardinals
3 bangii cardinals
Also plan to do 4-5 golden dwarf morays

My .02:

If your going to go with this many tangs, be sure to add the yellow tang LAST, as they are very aggressive. I think this list would work perfectly without the yellow tang, but with him there may be a little tail swatting between the yellow and sailfin, possibly the hippo.

I would suggest more of these: chromis (I have 8 in my 125) great schooling fish. Firefish goby-these do better in groups as well (3 or more). And make sure your top is screened or covered!

I have never had good luck with anthias, so keep us posted!

Oh one last note, please do buy the cardinals as captive bred... if you can as these guys are being over fished and will probably be on a "list" in the future.
 
mfliin;252033 wrote:
Oh one last note, please do buy the cardinals as captive bred... if you can as these guys are being over fished and will probably be on a "list" in the future.

whats worse is that there's only like one or 2 small populations that they're being fished from.

surprisingly, petco (at least the one by me) only sells captive bread, and can even get ORA ones. So they're not hard to find, you just have to ask.
 
Crazylikeafox;251965 wrote: Twist, I am excited for you to begin a large reef, and wish you luck. Asking for help in the planning of your fish list is a great way to build a compatible and beautiful reef.

To begin, I was <span style="color: Red">alarmed </span> at the comments that have not been made to your fish list, because beyond the number of fish, or anything to do with your tank, the fish you have selected would kill each other. No joke, no opinion, the list you have contains an array of peaceful, semi-aggressive, and aggressive fish which will fight to the death. I would highly recommend a peaceful tank with one or two prized semi-aggressive fish that you could not live without, and plenty of hiding places provided in your rock work.

Also, I would suggest spending a great deal of time in the planning of your fish list, far more than any other component of the tank.

I will add my 2 cents for the tangs first. Again, this is just my opinion. To start I looked up all of your fish in my reef book and read their blerb. Because I cannot copy paste those I will post from my trusted sites such as liveaquaria, peteducation, and marinecenter.


The parentheses imply that you will have 2 hippo tangs, one of each variety, for a total of 8 tangs. Averaging about 12 inches as adults, that is 96 inches of fish in tangs. (I go by the 1” per gallon rule, less in your case as you have a smaller surface area with the tall tank)

<span style="color: Red">One inch per gallon rule is a freshwater thing. For small fish. If you have a good skimmer, good filtration and good water change schedule, which I think she will because she bought the set-up from an experienced member. And Diane knows what she's doing as far as water changes.</span>

Going down the list I found several cautionary notes. Assuming that all tangs are added at the same time then you should reduce the conflicts, but these cannot be ignored.

Hippo tang – no clue best to include scientific names if possible


Unicorn Tang: ‘It is aggressive towards its own species, but peaceful with other fish.’ http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+387&pcatid=387&N=0">http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+387&pcatid=387&N=0</a>

Purple Tang – Huge caution here – this is an aggressive fish and would kill almost all of the others on your list. ‘They can be very aggressive and do not fare well with tank mates of similar body shape, especially other Tangs of the genus Zebrasoma.’
[IMG]http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+372&pcatid=372">http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+372&pcatid=372</a>

Chevron tang – Caution – Semi-Aggressive – ‘It is not an overly aggressive fish and will usually not bother fish tankmates, with the possible exception of close relatives.’ [IMG]http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/chevrontang/">http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/chevrontang/</a>

Sailfin – Caution- Semi-Agressive – ‘This is one of the least aggressive members of the genus, and family, although it may behave aggressively toward members of its own kind.’
[IMG]http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/sailfintang/">http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/sailfintang/</a>

Achilies Tang – no cule
<span style="color: Red">[B]You don't have a clue about this? That's just bad... [/B]</span>


Yellow Tang – A very dynamic fish I would suggest getting multiples of the yellow tang and removing some of the others.
<span style="color: Red">[B]Just a mean fish all around... I wouldn't even get one. You can get anthias to make up the color lost from the yellow tang.[/B]</span>

[B]<span style="color: Red">You throw all the tangs in there at once, and you shouldn't have a problem, I'm aiming at 6-8 tangs in my 185. Granted I may cut the list down a bit, but I can still get em all in there.</span>[/B]

Chromis – check

Fire fish – <span style="color: Red">Caution </span>– individuals or a mated pair here. Definitely cannot have 2 boys. Might be possible to have a very large male and a smaller female on the opposite sides of the tank.
<span style="color: Red">[B]Okay so the firefish, a friend put 6 into a 75 and had them there for years, and it was open top, so they never jumped until he put a Splendid Dottyback in there which terrorized them into carpet-surfing.[/B]</span>

Purple fire fish – <span style="color: Red">Additional Caution</span> – Same as above, but know you have to be concerned with the species fighting among themselves.
<span style="color: Red">[B]In a large tank they will not even think about fighting with eachother, I've seen about 4 purple's and 5 regular's in a 120 and they swam together, no problems.[/B]</span>

Clowns – <span style="color: Red">Extreme Caution</span> – Can only have one type of clownfish with few exceptions. The cinnamon clownfish is said to get along well with other varieties of clowns but I have no experience with these. Personally I would go with a pair of Nemo’s. They are quite peaceful above all else.
<span style="color: Red">[B]I agree one pair of clowns.[/B]</span>

Wrasses- Check

Gobies/Blennies – cannot comment without specifics. But general cautions, peaceful, reef safe, careful if you add a not to get a Pseudochromis.


Anthias - A rule that I have followed is one male, up to 4 females unless you are daring or have excess capacity. Very popular are the Squareback (spot), Bartlet, Dispar, Etc. liveaquaria.com has some beautiful photos as well as marinecenter.com
<span style="color: #7030a0">
<span style="color: Black">Cardinals – [COLOR=Red]Caution </span>– I am not familiar with Bangi Cardinals – If you mean </span>[/COLOR]<span style="color: Black">Pterapogon kauderni be careful as they are</span> semi aggressive. I would recommend [IMG]http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+26+1428&pcatid=1428"><span style="color: #000000">Longspine</span></a> Cardinalfish instead (Apogon leptacanthus)
<span style="color: Red">[B]Semi-aggressive? That's laughable. They barely move.[/B]</span>

Morays – I have no experience with eles.
<span style="color: Red">[B]I can see that.[/B]</span>

<span style="color: Purple">Hope this helps.</span> I am currently making my fish list for a very similar size reef. I have uploaded it here if you would care to take a look. I have spent a great deal of time planning my fish list. <span style="color: Black">A balanced, peaceful tank will reduce the stress of all fish, increasing the health of your reef far more than the addition of any piece of equipment</span> such as the ever controversial UV light you mentioned.

-Charles

My list link: Reef Stocking List - Version 11-30-08.xlsx

[IMG]http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4b32edff0c5ae7cc91b20cc0d07ba4d26bbfba95f1388b8d">http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=...bbfba95f1388b8d</a>

PM if you would like my current list as I have made dozens of changes, but think this could get you started on the right track.[/QUOTE]

My opinion in <span style="color: Red">[B]red.[/B]</span>
 
Crazylikeafox;251965 wrote: Twist, I am excited for you to begin a large reef, and wish you luck. Asking for help in the planning of your fish list is a great way to build a compatible and beautiful reef.

To begin, I was <span style="color: red">alarmed </span>at the comments that have not been made to your fish list, because beyond the number of fish, or anything to do with your tank, the fish you have selected would kill each other. No joke, no opinion, the list you have contains an array of peaceful, semi-aggressive, and aggressive fish which will fight to the death. I would highly recommend a peaceful tank with one or two prized semi-aggressive fish that you could not live without, and plenty of hiding places provided in your rock work.

Also, I would suggest spending a great deal of time in the planning of your fish list, far more than any other component of the tank.

I will add my 2 cents for the tangs first. Again, this is just my opinion. To start I looked up all of your fish in my reef book and read their blerb. Because I cannot copy paste those I will post from my trusted sites such as liveaquaria, peteducation, and marinecenter.


The parentheses imply that you will have 2 hippo tangs, one of each variety, for a total of 8 tangs. Averaging about 12 inches as adults, that is 96 inches of fish in tangs. (I go by the 1” per gallon rule, less in your case as you have a smaller surface area with the tall tank)

Going down the list I found several cautionary notes. Assuming that all tangs are added at the same time then you should reduce the conflicts, but these cannot be ignored.

Hippo tang – no clue best to include scientific names if possible

Unicorn Tang: ‘It is aggressive towards its own species, but peaceful with other fish.’ http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+387&pcatid=387&N=0">http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+387&pcatid=387&N=0</a>

Purple Tang – Huge caution here – this is an aggressive fish and would kill almost all of the others on your list. ‘They can be very aggressive and do not fare well with tank mates of similar body shape, especially other Tangs of the genus Zebrasoma.’
[IMG]http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+372&pcatid=372">http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+43+372&pcatid=372</a>

Chevron tang – Caution – Semi-Aggressive – ‘It is not an overly aggressive fish and will usually not bother fish tankmates, with the possible exception of close relatives.’ [IMG]http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/chevrontang/">http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/chevrontang/</a>

Sailfin – Caution- Semi-Agressive – ‘This is one of the least aggressive members of the genus, and family, although it may behave aggressively toward members of its own kind.’
[IMG]http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/sailfintang/">http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/sailfintang/</a>

Achilies Tang – no cule

Yellow Tang – A very dynamic fish I would suggest getting multiples of the yellow tang and removing some of the others.

Chromis – check

Fire fish – <span style="color: red">Caution </span>– individuals or a mated pair here. Definitely cannot have 2 boys. Might be possible to have a very large male and a smaller female on the opposite sides of the tank.

Purple fire fish – <span style="color: red">Additional Caution</span> – Same as above, but know you have to be concerned with the species fighting among themselves.

Clowns – <span style="color: red">Extreme Caution</span> – Can [B]only [/B]have one type of clownfish with few exceptions. The cinnamon clownfish is said to get along well with other varieties of clowns but I have no experience with these. Personally I would go with a pair of Nemo’s. They are quite peaceful above all else.

Wrasses- Check

Gobies/Blennies – cannot comment without specifics. But general cautions, peaceful, reef safe, careful if you add a not to get a Pseudochromis.


Anthias - A rule that I have followed is one male, up to 4 females unless you are daring or have excess capacity. Very popular are the Squareback (spot), Bartlet, Dispar, Etc. liveaquaria.com has some beautiful photos as well as marinecenter.com

<span style="color: #7030a0"><span style="color: black">Cardinals – [COLOR=red]Caution </span>– I am not familiar with Bangi Cardinals – If you mean </span>[/COLOR]<span style="color: black">Pterapogon kauderni be careful as they are</span> semi aggressive. I would recommend [IMG]http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+26+1428&pcatid=1428"><span style="color: #000000">Longspine</span></a> Cardinalfish instead (Apogon leptacanthus)

Morays – I have no experience with eles.

[B]<span style="color: purple">Hope this helps.</span>[/B] I am currently making my fish list for a very similar size reef. I have uploaded it here if you would care to take a look. I have spent a great deal of time planning my fish list. [B]<span style="color: black">A balanced, peaceful tank will reduce the stress of all fish, increasing the health of your reef far more than the addition of any piece of equipment</span>[/B] such as the ever controversial UV light you mentioned.

-Charles

My list link: Reef Stocking List - Version 11-30-08.xlsx

[IMG]http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4b32edff0c5ae7cc91b20cc0d07ba4d26bbfba95f1388b8d">http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=...bbfba95f1388b8d</a>

PM if you would like my current list as I have made dozens of changes, but think this could get you started on the right track.[/QUOTE]


Most of this doesn't even apply in your case. Your tank is larger than most, thus has special circumstances. You will be able to keep a larger variety of fish and some typically incompatible fish because of the size.

The 1" per gallon is as worthless as the watt per gallon rule. Study what the fish requires; tangs like to swim, so longer tanks suit them better. Also, they grow to be quite large, so turning around will be an issue.

And don't worry about the cardinals; they won't hurt anything. They're by far the most passive fish I've ever seen!
 
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