Anybody here have a Moorish idol?

Dakota9;421079 wrote: Back in the 80's, Moorish Idols were all the rage...... Surprised there's any left after the hub-bub over them back then. The price they commanded was outragous, a couple of hundred bucks if I remember correctly, probably the only reason EVERYONE didn't have one.

The debate about leaving delicate species in the ocean is a interesting one!
When I got back in the hobby this time, I decided I wouldn't purchase anything that was not tank bred, or tank raised. I figure over the past 20 years, I've done my share of taking from the ocean, as that was your only option back in those days.
I remember the days when a few sprigs of limp Xenia and a feather duster or two constituted a successful reef tank. Flash back 20 years and if we just left everything in the ocean that didn't do well, then none of us would be in the reefing hobby right now. <u>I HAVE A FIRM BELIEF IN ECOLOGY</u>, and will not knowingly purchase a wild caught fish again, but for a reefer to make a broad a statement such as "leave delicate species in the ocean" is to be somewhat hypocritical, as we all stand on the shoulders of hobbist before us who advanced us to where we are now........ (and the dead fish, we all stand on a big huge pile of dead fish, Let's not forget).

I think we can moderate better what is taken from the ocean by gaining a better understanding of the animal's needs. Advanced fish need an advanced aquarist with a proper system to care for it.

In National Geographic</em> , I once saw pics of Phillippinos eating these beautiful reef fish, and thought "I could enjoy that fish in my tank for years, but as a meal, it wont last them a day." (If they used it in some asian dish, they'll just big hungry again an hour later).


Dakota, I couldn't have put it any better. As someone who, regretfully, made contributions to that 'pile of dead fish' you refer to, I can also say that it was not without huge benefit. Years ago (1970's) I had the best equipment available and a lot of knowledge for the time. I lost more than I could keep alive. Once we got the chemistry down, disease would scour our tanks. The foods available were woefully inadequate, and many of us learned to make our own. I gave up 'buying' fish for a while (forget keeping corals). Living in Florida I had access to the ocean and collected my own. I felt better about this, and the specimens were in better shape. I realized the loss during shipment must have been horrific (mostly due to cyanide use in collection)! Later on objective reporting on the collection and shipment methods, led to major change and improvements. In the mean time, we learned about compatibility, food requirements, better water maintenance techniques/chemistry. The quality and variety of foods available increased dramatically. The previously mentioned revolution in collection and shipment methods took place. A guy named George Smit, whom many of you have never heard of, came to the US from Holland. He applied known wastewater filtration technology to marine aquaria and introduced 'wet-dry trickle filters' to us. While many of us no longer accept these as desireable filters, they revolutionized marine aquarium technique and our level of success. These all led many aquarists to study variables we were oblivious to in decades past. NONE of this would have occured without those fish in the pile mentioned above. I never encourage keeping known difficult fish (ie-Pinnatus Batfish, for example). However, I do welcome the responsible exploration by known thought leaders in our hobby, of advanced techniques and technology. It is not without cost, but necessary IMO. I believe strongly, that advanced level hobbyists have contributed more to the successful husbandry of reef organisms than even professional investigators/scientists have during this period. I think I can say this objectively having been both.
 
As always, well said, Ich. Man, those Dutch are engineering geniuses, aren't they?
 
ichthyoid;421434 wrote: Dakota, I couldn't have put it any better. As someone who, regretfully, made contributions to that 'pile of dead fish' you refer to, I can also say that it was not without huge benefit. Years ago (1970's) I had the best equipment available and a lot of knowledge for the time. I lost more than I could keep alive. Once we got the chemistry down, disease would scour our tanks. The foods available were woefully inadequate, and many of us learned to make our own. I gave up 'buying' fish for a while (forget keeping corals). Living in Florida I had access to the ocean and collected my own. I felt better about this, and the specimens were in better shape. I realized the loss during shipment must have been horrific (mostly due to cyanide use in collection)! Later on objective reporting on the collection and shipment methods, led to major change and improvements. In the mean time, we learned about compatibility, food requirements, better water maintenance techniques/chemistry. The quality and variety of foods available increased dramatically. The previously mentioned revolution in collection and shipment methods took place. A guy named George Smit, whom many of you have never heard of, came to the US from Holland. He applied known wastewater filtration technology to marine aquaria and introduced 'wet-dry trickle filters' to us. While many of us no longer accept these as desireable filters, they revolutionized marine aquarium technique and our level of success. These all led many aquarists to study variables we were oblivious to in decades past. NONE of this would have occured without those fish in the pile mentioned above. I never encourage keeping known difficult fish (ie-Pinnatus Batfish, for example). However, I do welcome the responsible exploration by known thought leaders in our hobby, of advanced techniques and technology. It is not without cost, but necessary IMO. I believe strongly, that advanced level hobbyists have contributed more to the successful husbandry of reef organisms than even professional investigators/scientists have during this period. I think I can say this objectively having been both.
I'm one of those that pilfered the oceans in the 70's. I was reasonably successful in keeping Fish Only without Live Rock. In those days I used a 5 gallon bucket with crushed oyster shell, overflow into the bucket and a little giant external pump for the return. I had no clue as to what I was doing. Now that I'm back in the hobby a hundred years (or so it seems) later, I'm overwhelmed by the advances. I'm struggling to keep up but thanks to the ARC and some quality LFS people I may make it through. Ichthyoid: I appreciated your comments!</em>
 
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