Coral Rx and TLF Revive

grouper therapy · Jul 3, 2010

Just because they are sold as " reef products" doesn't always mean that they are safe or that I want them in my aquarium either. There is no guarantees that the "reef product was properly tested or comes from a pure source. It may take several months for the product to damage your reef system. You can expect a reasonable margin of safety but that is all it is a expectation.

jennm · Jul 3, 2010

There would be a lot of liability for a company making reef specific products if they couldn't ensure that their sources of raw materials weren't free from contamination.

Like when using sandbox sand was all the rage... well the home supply store could well have stored the sand box sand within contamination range of fertilizers, pesticides etc., all perfectly "safe" for the sandbox sand to be exposed to - but not so good if one planned to use the sand in a reef tank.

I'm with Jeremy on this - not just because I sell these things, but because I USE them too.

Having been to Seachem's facility just as an example, they are VERY conscientious and thorough about the ingredients they use, and I have every confidence that what I put in my tank is meant to be safe in my tank.

Going to Walgreen's and buying Epsom salts to use as magnesium, or going to Publix and buying pickling lime to use as Kalkwasser - I don't know if there's something else in there that's proprietary to that brand of product, meant for another purpose, that might be detrimental to my tank.

Same reason why GE puts a disclaimer on their silicone that really is aquarium safe (and that's the one product I do use for aquariums that isn't meant for that purpose)... if something goes wrong, they've covered their assets by putting on that disclaimer.

But back to the topic at hand - I've seen quite a few references to Coral Rx and Revive as being the same or similar. Revive doesn't come in a concentrate like Coral Rx does, but I do suspect at least the raw materials might come from the same source.

Revive is half the price of Coral Rx.

Jenn

grouper therapy · Jul 3, 2010

I guess there are no guarantees from anyone concerning the additives we put in our tanks hobby related or not. Just as there is no complete data proving 100% eradication of all pest by using their product. I don't mind paying inflated prices if there is a guarantee attached. But I also understand about the comfort level that some may have with using a product from a hobby related company . It would be interesting to know what is in it as well.

lifestudent · Jul 3, 2010

Coral Rx was evaluated along with Flatworm Exit and Povidone regarding effiectiveness. Here's the http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/4/aafeature2">article</a> in last year's AdvancedAquarist.

BTW, Coral RX is NOT to be added to your tank!

I've used it successfully to eliminate montipora eating nudibranchs by placing my affected corals in a separate container and treating them there and then returning them to the main display. Since Coral Rx doesn't destroy their eggs, I performed additional treatments to ensure that I completely kill them by breaking their life cycle.

Coral Rx is meant to be used as a prophylactic treatment used outside of the display aquarium.

jennm · Jul 3, 2010

No coral dip is to be added to a tank.

Jenn

grouper therapy · Jul 3, 2010

Lifestudent;531814 wrote: Coral Rx was evaluated along with Flatworm Exit and Povidone regarding effiectiveness. Here's the http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/4/aafeature2">article</a> in last year's AdvancedAquarist.

BTW, Coral RX is NOT to be added to your tank!

I've used it successfully to eliminate montipora eating nudibranchs by placing my affected corals in a separate container and treating them there and then returning them to the main display. Since Coral Rx doesn't destroy their eggs, I performed additional treatments to ensure that I completely kill them by breaking their life cycle.

Coral Rx is meant to be used as a prophylactic treatment used outside of the display aquarium.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the article. I am waiting to see how effective it is on acro red bugs. Maybe they will test that next.
[B][I]Btw Please no one confuse my post above referencing the additives[/B]. I don't believe in adding any type of medication,treatment or"miracle dips" to my tank. The additives I was referring to was the mag. and kalkwasser Jenn was talking about in a previous post.
I believe in the quarantine of [B][I]every item[/B] before it enters my tank and these dips are well worth the effort . Even if they do or don't kill 100% of their target .Why not ?
Has anyone found anything regarding their content?

jmaneyapanda · Jul 3, 2010

grouper therapy;531830 wrote: Thanks for the article. I am waiting to see how effective it is on acro red bugs. Maybe they will test that next.
Btw Please no one confuse my post above referencing the additives. I don't believe in adding any type of medication,treatment or"miracle dips" to my tank. The additives I was referring to was the mag. and kalkwasser Jenn was talking about in a previous post.
I believe in the quarantine of every item before it enters my tank and these dips are well worth the effort . Even if they do or don't kill 100% of their target .Why not ?
Has anyone found anything regarding their content?

I wouldnt hold my breath on them revealing what the active content is. That kinda like giving out the secret recipe to mommas cookies.

jmaneyapanda · Jul 3, 2010

grouper therapy;531769 wrote: I guess there are no guarantees from anyone concerning the additives we put in our tanks hobby related or not. Just as there is no complete data proving 100% eradication of all pest by using their product. I don't mind paying inflated prices if there is a guarantee attached. But I also understand about the comfort level that some may have with using a product from a hobby related company . It would be interesting to know what is in it as well.

Yes, you are right. However, I feel much better, both functionally, and in a legal aspect, of adding a product labelled for aquarium use, than otherwise. I can argue for reclamation with an aquarium company if their product kills my aquarium. However, I doubt a driveway deicer company is going to care in the slightest.

ichthyoid · Jul 3, 2010

I have been following along with interest. I don't know if I have anything conclusive to add here, except that the 'pine tree' smell is usually an indication of the presence of pinene and/or turpene's (from my Organic Chemistry classes, as I recall).

As a point of interest- It has been proposed that the 'Smokey Mountains' haze consists of tupene's (among other volatile tree oils) and water vapor. These oils being released by pine trees in particular.

However, back to the topic of coral dip there has long been interest in this hobby from extracts of the Melaleuca tree. These products include Melafix. I am pasting a post from an on-line discussion for consideration. Cajeput oil is extracted from Tea trees, also known as Punk tree or Melaluca.

Also as a point of interest, this tree species was imported to the US and planted in the Everglades in a blind attempt many years ago to drain the area of water. It is now considered a major pest/threat and the US Government is spending millions in attempts to eliminate it.

I'm betting this 'oil extract' represents one or more of the 'proprietary ingredients' liste on the MSD sheet kindly provided by Jenn (thanks).

"Cajeput oil contains: 1,8-cineol (14-65%), terpineol, terpinyl acetate, pinene, nerolidol, both free and as an ester of acetic acid, and small amounts of terpenes, such as laevo-pinene. Other compounds include: 20(29)-ene-3beta,17beta-diol, (2E,6E)-farnesol, phytol, squalene, alloaromadendrene, ledene, palustrol, viridiflorol, ledol, betulinaldehyde, betulinic acid, 3beta-acetyl-lup-20(29)-en-28-oic acid, 3-oxolup-20(29)-en-28-oic acid, and platanic acid."

Post is near the bottom of page below...

http://www.reef-geeks.com/forums/reef-geeks/2710-what-dipping-procedures-do-you-use-2.html">http://www.reef-geeks.com/forums/reef-geeks/2710-what-dipping-procedures-do-you-use-2.html</a>

There is a lot more about turpene's being produced by corals that I found, but that's another thread. Hope this helps -Bill

johnr2604 · Jul 3, 2010

Just to add on to ichthyiods post, here is some interesting reading that could explain a little more. I ran into this researching melafix as a dip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_tree_oil">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_tree_oil</a>

[IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor</a>

ichthyoid · Jul 3, 2010

And yet another interesting link-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajuput_oil">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajuput_oil</a>
[B]Cajuput oil[/B]

[B]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/B]

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[B]Cajuput oil[/B] is a volatile oil obtained by distillation from the leaves of the [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrtaceae">myrtaceous</a> tree [I][IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melaleuca_leucadendra">Melaleuca leucadendra</a>, and probably other [I][IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melaleuca">Melaleuca</a> species. The trees yielding the oil are found throughout the [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_archipelago">Malay archipelago</a>, the [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_Peninsula">Malay Peninsula</a> and over the hotter parts of the [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia">Australian</a> continent; but the greater portion of the oil is produced from [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulawesi">Sulawesi</a>. The name “cajuput” is derived from its Malay name, “[I]kayu putih” or "white wood".
The oil is prepared from leaves collected on a hot dry day, which are macerated in water, and distilled after fermenting for a night. [B]This oil is extremely pungent, and has the odor of a mixture of [/B][IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine">[B]turpentine[/B]</a>[B] and [/B][IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphor">[B]camphor[/B]</a>[B]. It consists mainly of [/B][IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cineol">[B]cineol[/B]</a>[B] (see [/B][IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene">[B]terpenes[/B]</a>[B]),[/B] from which cajuputene, having a [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinth_(plant)">hyacinth</a>-like odor, can be obtained by distillation with [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_pentoxide">phosphorus pentoxide</a>. The drug is a typical volatile oil, and is used internally in doses of 2 to 3 [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minim_(unit)">minims</a>, for the same purposes as, say, [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_of_clove">clove oil</a>. It is frequently employed externally as a [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterirritant">counterirritant</a>. It is an ingredient in some [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_rub">liniments for sore muscles</a> such as [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Balm">Tiger Balm</a> and Indonesian traditional medicine [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minyak_Telon&action=edit&redlink=1">Minyak Telon</a>.
It is also used as an ingredient in inhalants/decongestants such as [B]Olbas Oil[/B].

ichthyoid · Jul 3, 2010

I'm thinking that since the oils we are discussing are hydrophobic ('water-fearing, like oil is) there must be either a solvent or surfactant used to make it miscible (mixable) in water. This would readily explain the presence of multiple 'proprietary ingredients' listed on the MSD sheet for Melafix or the like. Anyone care to donate some frags for testing (all in the name of science of course) :shades:

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