Flow meters

Hnguyen;941244 wrote: I agree that UV will kill anything and everything it can that passes through it, but from my understanding. Our beneficial bacteria live on surfaces like our live rocks and sand, they are not water borne bacteria like algae. From time to time you'll have a few that will fall off or decide to go on a swim and that's when they can be killed by the UV but other then that, they are pretty safe. Now I would be wrong so correct me if I'm (I'm wrong a lot).

I subscribe to this very position and run a UV during the day and off at night to prevent killing Copepods.

Hnguyen;941244 wrote: I
It seems that I'll need a 240 watt aqua UV running just under 700 gph to get the 336k kill rate. The dang unit has 8 bulbs and is just under $2k. I'll take my chances with ich.

No, I'm not sure your total system volume exactly but I think an Emperor or Aqua 40w ran at 150-200gph should work fine for you.
 
DawgFace;941246 wrote: I subscribe to this very position and run a UV during the day and off at night to prevent killing Copepods.

I like that idea, I'm going to have to steal it from you. I'll hook it up to the apex tomorrow.


No, I'm not sure your total system volume exactly but I think an Emperor or Aqua 40w ran at 150-200gph should work fine for you.

I guess that can work. I still have plenty of juice on my return pump to spare 200 gph but I already bought the 15 watt unit. I think I'll stick with it for a while to see how well it does for my system. It's a 90 gallon display with about 80 extra gallons when you add up the (2) 40 breeders and 20 gallon all tied into the display. So I want to say it's about 160 gallons with the rocks since I really don't have much.
 
There was a 150 watt Emperor for sale in South Carolina for $500. I was going to grab it and throw it on my 90 but heat issues concerned me.
 
Do that produce that much heat? Well I guess it may be the same amount as a 150 watt metal halide huh? Even worst when it has a really thin layer of water to heat up as well.


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DawgFace;941241 wrote: Here, been searching for this for the past two hours for this thread.... Right in front of my face I found it, dang sticky on the Reef Discussion forum!!!!!!

Anyways, best write up and discussion I've ever found thanks to Mojo.

http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36805">http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36805</a>[/QUOTE]

Not that this changes anything but, I remembered something from the first time I saw that graph. Ichthyophthirius is the freshwater version of ick and Cryptocaryon irritans is the marine version. Having said that, the kill rates are very similar as shown in this chart from Emperor.

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Hnguyen;941237 wrote: I didn't really look up his unit yet so im not sure of the ratings. My unit claims that for me to get 30k kill rate I need to be at 700 gph. Its the aqua classic 15 watts with the wiper. Thoughts? This is my first time using a UV on a reed tank so its still a learning process for me. I've always had them for my fresh water tanks back in the day but this is new.

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I have no experience with using a UV sterilizer. I may be wrong; I believe I have read here on ARC a thread that a UV with a wiper is o.k. for freshwater; but don't use a UV with a wiper on a salt water tank [something to do with the extra chemistry of saltwater and buildup of certain stuff collecting on the wiper part of the UV].

Wannabee
 
WannabeeaReefKeeper;941270 wrote: I have no experience with using a UV sterilizer. I may be wrong; I believe I have read here on ARC a thread that a UV with a wiper is o.k. for freshwater; but don't use a UV with a wiper on a salt water tank [something to do with the extra chemistry of saltwater and buildup of certain stuff collecting on the wiper part of the UV].

Wannabee

The only thing I can think of that will build up on the wiper parts are whatever the uv kills and never got pushed out. If that's the case then your skimmer will still be able to pull that gunk out without problems. That's just an assumtion.
 
Wipers are a gimmick meant to boost sales and nothing more even in freshwater applications. I believe the wipers were introduced and adopted from the wastewater industry were they experience large amounts of light sediment buildup on the quartz sleeve. The wiper is a oring or equivalent that as said wipes down the sleeve to clear it from buildup. These quartz sleeves are easily scratched and could even break if the buildup was considerable. In the wastewater industry the need for UV is far below what marine or fresh use it for. Scratches mean nothing for their needs, little for freshwater but paramount for marine. Plus, marine applications will provide the worst situation for wipers due to salt and calcium buildup.

Bottomline, don't get the wiper units. If you have one with a wiper, don't use the wiper part of it and your fine.
 
DawgFace;941294 wrote: Wipers are a gimmick meant to boost sales and nothing more even in freshwater applications. I believe the wipers were introduced and adopted from the wastewater industry were they experience large amounts of light sediment buildup on the quartz sleeve. The wiper is a oring or equivalent that as said wipes down the sleeve to clear it from buildup. These quartz sleeves are easily scratched and could even break if the buildup was considerable. In the wastewater industry the need for UV is far below what marine or fresh use it for. Scratches mean nothing for their needs, little for freshwater but paramount for marine. Plus, marine applications will provide the worst situation for wipers due to salt and calcium buildup.

Bottomline, don't get the wiper units. If you have one with a wiper, don't use the wiper part of it and your fine.

DANG IT JESSE!! Why must you burst the bubbles on all my bells and whistles. :mad2:
 
I guess I can always pull the sleeve out and clean iy every few week. That means i may have to flip my UV around then since I mounted it with the wiper handle on top. I'm going to get a ton of water on the floor if I remove the sleeve in its current position.


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Emperor does not recommend wipers for salt water applications. The reason is that the main buildup on the UV quartz sleeve is calcium carbonate scale, not soft organics, and you could not just wipe it off if you tried. It has to be dissolved using an acid.

I descale my 150 watt with muriatic acid every 6 months or so.
 
Hnguyen;941303 wrote: I guess I can always pull the sleeve out and clean iy every few week. That means i may have to flip my UV around then since I mounted it with the wiper handle on top. I'm going to get a ton of water on the floor if I remove the sleeve in its current position.


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Put a ball valve and a small drain valve.
 
Acroholic;941308 wrote: Emperor does not recommend wipers for salt water applications. The reason is that the main buildup on the UV quartz sleeve is calcium carbonate scale, not soft organics, and you could not just wipe it off if you tried. It has to be dissolved using an acid.

I descale my 150 watt with muriatic acid every 6 months or so.

Vinegar works just as well without all the fuss. Cap a PVC tube in a bucket. fill with water/vinegar. soak for an hour or so. easily clean the sleeves off.
 
rjrgroup;941309 wrote: Put a ball valve and a small drain valve.

I have a ball valve before the UV and a gate valve after the UV. Ball valve is to cut off water from flowing back down on me if I need to take the pump out and the gate valve for fine tuning. The problem lays within the UV housing itself. It holds a bit of water in the housing and with the way I have it mounted, the sleeve is on the bottom side (uv mounted vertical) so when I remove the sleeve cap, whatever water is left in the UV housing will spill out from there. All I have to do is just flip it around, it shouldn't affect my plumping at all since the intake and output will still be at the same location. I guess I can also pull out the wiper while I'm at it and just plug the hole at the wiper handle. Looks to be just a 1/2" threaded hole in the PVC cap.
 
Oz;941310 wrote: Vinegar works just as well without all the fuss. Cap a PVC tube in a bucket. fill with water/vinegar. soak for an hour or so. easily clean the sleeves off.

Yup, the muriatic acts in seconds, but the vinegar would be just a as good, just take a bit longer.
 
rjrgroup;941313 wrote: Can you install a valve in the threaded hole?

I would but it won't do me any good unless I flip the UV house around. I'll take a picture of it tonight when I get home. It will make more sense once you see it.
 
Cool, do that. If you need to drill and tap it for a small 1/4" drain valve, I can help you out with it.
 
Hoang,
What I took from Mojos UV primer thread was that you should aim for an hourly pass of your net tank volume through the UV at the recommended exposure level to kill protozoas (marine ich, etc).

Now you can do that with an oversized pump with ball valve bypasses, etc, or you could also just buy a pump that does that type of hourly flow. I wanted to get about 450-550 gallons an hour through my 150 watt UV, so I just bought a Mag 7 and run it from the water in side of my sump to the water out side of my sump, easy. See pic.

This gives the proper flow rate and I did not want to mess with hooking it into my return plumbing line. Pump just runs full open. Easy to get to for maintenance as well.

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