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Because its the law. Look it up before you start making criticisms. Or better yet, go to Florida, garb 40 pounds of oceanic rock, and let them know that at the AGricultural stations on the border. See what happens.
Going to the beach!!
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Because its the law. Look it up before you start making criticisms. Or better yet, go to Florida, garb 40 pounds of oceanic rock, and let them know that at the AGricultural stations on the border. See what happens.
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Taken from the USFWS website. So, Florida and Georgia, and anywhere else where the rock is calcareous in nature would be a federal crime to take.
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DO NOT underestimate CITES. I have to work around their guidelines frequently, and it is not as haphazard as it is sounding. First off, not as many marine organisms are CITES controlled as people think. For example, the only fish I know that of are CITES appendix I are seahorses. Secondly, if there is a problem (which I agree there may be), it is in the fact that the determination lays in the hands of USFWS, for importaion inspection. I perosnally know all the USFWS wildlife inspectors here in Atlanta, and they are great people, with a lot of knowledge, but could they tell a symphyllia from a lobophyllia? Draw your own conclusions. However, in order to import a CITES I species, you will need to jump through A LOT of flaming hoops to even get the flight booked, so dont think that there are just some dumb islanders who can ship you some awesome appendix I stuff, because they dont know any better. It doesn't work that way.
that quote from the site you gave said reef building calcium based rocks from water. We're not taking anything from the water, we're actually taking rocks from construction sites and off highways. Is that illegal? Wouldn't it be illegal to build a house anywhere near those rocks? and if they need to lay a foundation, how are they going to expose those "live rocks", which is obviously just stones. Read my post. It is absolutely impossbile for it to be illegal to take rocks from these places. If it was then we cannot build roads or houses or anything for that matter 80 miles off the coast of FL or GA.
wow xyz thanks for your knowledge next time i go to FL i will be sure to book a week or 2 just to do this "contact the hunting and fishing department and get the permits needed and learn the laws pertaining to collection of livestock." Good idea ill make sure i do all of this and bring about at least $500 because that is at least what permits and licensing is gonna cost. I'll do all that for a couple snails. Now thats the ticket!
What you may not know about those building sites...
No, those houses are not being built illegally, but those sites had to first be permitted and there's no telling what kind of stipulations are attached to the permits.
As an example, in Cobb County, the review process is pretty extensive before a developer can get a land disturbance permit and even if you see development underway, that doesn't mean *anything goes*. For instance, if you see something going up somewhere around Kennesaw Mountain Battlefield Park (or other historically sensitive areas, especially in West Cobb), know that CC's Historical Preservation department first checked it out and often requires certain studies to be done and there might be limits to the development.
So ..... just because the developer is turning over dirt, doesn't mean you can just go in there and start digging for Civil War artifacts.
Who knows, maybe there are stips you're not aware of which are placed on developments near the water that state you can do this, this, this and this, but you can't do this? Might be interesting to see a construction permit for an oceanside development (or the actual review documents themselves) to see what hoops those developers have to go through.
Just throwing that out there.
No, those houses are not being built illegally, but those sites had to first be permitted and there's no telling what kind of stipulations are attached to the permits.
As an example, in Cobb County, the review process is pretty extensive before a developer can get a land disturbance permit and even if you see development underway, that doesn't mean *anything goes*. For instance, if you see something going up somewhere around Kennesaw Mountain Battlefield Park (or other historically sensitive areas, especially in West Cobb), know that CC's Historical Preservation department first checked it out and often requires certain studies to be done and there might be limits to the development.
So ..... just because the developer is turning over dirt, doesn't mean you can just go in there and start digging for Civil War artifacts.
Who knows, maybe there are stips you're not aware of which are placed on developments near the water that state you can do this, this, this and this, but you can't do this? Might be interesting to see a construction permit for an oceanside development (or the actual review documents themselves) to see what hoops those developers have to go through.
Just throwing that out there.
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Well, to be honest, I am less sure about this. First off, if you are going to put a rock in your tank that you found on the highway, good luck. I would be hard pressed to find a worse idea.
But secondly, and more importantly, I still dont think USFWS cares if it is dry or wet. With them, you are essentially guilty until proven innocent. By that, I mean if you collect carbonate rock, you must prove it has been legally obtained (ie- permits). Otherwise, there is nothing to stop people from ripping rocks out of the reef, beaching them for a few months, and then taking them. I am pretty sure that is the law. The reason housing and construction developments can operate is because they obtain the necessary permits.
You probably think I just trying to start trouble- not true. I am simply trying to clarify the truth.
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My yearly fish and shelfish liscense for Flordia I think costs me $30 or so... So you are a bit off for your $500 there buckaroo.. But none the less, I am glad that you are going to follow the rules. You know, if I enlighten one person a day, my day is complete... I am just glat that today it could be you!!! Good to know I saved you the $2500 fine it would have been if you had gotten caught! :thumbs:
Fishing licence is 15 bucks. you can't fish near certain areas, they have MM and those things to tell you where you can and cannot fish. Listen carefully to your radio channel 6, coast guard will usually announce something before you snatch you. This is when you run, but GL running from a ciggrette boat.
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A normal fishing liscense does not cover shellfish.. that is like $7-$10 more.
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You probably won't be there on 9/15/07, but this might be more satisifying...
http://www.oceanconservancy.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8761">http://www.oceanconservancy.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8761</a>
If you see some debris on the beach...take that.
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LOL, that is true as long as you have Riparian rights... So buy some beachfront property and you have nothing to worry about!!! 
