Help, PLEASE!!! Bryopsis

[ralph atl]

There's more than one kind of hair algae, are we sure that he has briopsis?

 

[legalreefer]

Im not a photographer! But here it is. It looks like a fern. It has grown at least 5 times bigger since I took this pic.

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[legalreefer]

dawgdude;386044 wrote: I just remembered one thing that did work for me was covering a patch in kalk! Then again kalk will kill pretty much anything you put it on. It was a nice purdy white spot on the rock a few days later and there was a clear outline of where the kalk was since it was only a portion of the patch I nuked. Im going to nuke the rest on that rock because its right next to my nice rose bta and it just really detracts from its beauty to see all that algae growing around it. Ill try it again and take some pictures this time.

I was going to ask if it would be a good idea to take the rock out and drop the Kent M on the algae. If kalk works, why did you mention that an hour ago

 

[tokejr]

dawgdude;386040 wrote: I wonder how many kinds of algae there are. I assume they do not all function exactly the same, hence the reason some are easier to erradicate.

There are atleast 50 known species of Bryopsis.

If you had followed the link, you would see that was a discussion of algae, in general and more specifically how to manage it in a reef tank.

Of course, the final paragraph reads:

<span style="font-family: Times New Roman">A Conclusion:</span>
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman">After all this talk of controlling algae, it ought to be pointed out that sometimes it's better to "let it be". Micro- and macro-algae growth is an indication of a normal, healthy state. Within moderation, algae help keep the system balanced and stable. The trick lies in the word moderate. If you can keep the algae groomed, in one desired area or cropped to a short length on the walls of your system, this will be to your advantage. By purposely having desirable forms, you can reduce the incidence of unattractive algae blooms. Should you experience a bloom, I'd review the above root causes and correct for them. </span>
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman">There are <u>many</u> varieties of algae that could, will be utilized by marine aquarists in the future. Some are "coming to light" with the operation of cold/cool water, surge, and other new specialty systems. </span>
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman">What about "true", flowering plants? Yes, some embryophytes are found in shallow marine environments; eel, turtle, and surf "grasses", even mangrove trees get some mention in the pet-fish literature. These are too obscure, sub-specialties for much more mention here; the curious Reader is referred to the Bibliography.

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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman">But WWM discourages all "chemical controls."</span>


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[ralph atl]

Is it all over your tank? Need a bigger file picture. Try uploading to photobucket instead with a new pic when u get a chance. In the meantime, working on nutrients and most likely briopsis is a good approach. You're tank will love it.

 

[grouper therapy]

LegalReefer;386033 wrote: Isnt the growth of bryopsis from the excess nutirents?

It does not seem to make any difference in nutrient levels when it comes to the appearance of or eradication of bryopsis if that is in fact what you have. That has been stated several times in the thread. From most all the experienced aquarist that has battled this strand of algae is the use of tech m magnesium dosing to higher than normal levels (1600 and up).
If in fact it is typical hair algae that you are battling then yes a larger macro fuge will help to rid your system of some nutrients but when that is done the surviving algae will only thrive with more nutrients (not your goal) and some light.
Can you post pics of the algae?
i can't see your pics

 

[legalreefer]

mysterybox;386050 wrote: Is it all over your tank? Need a bigger file picture. Try uploading to photobucket instead with a new pic when u get a chance. In the meantime, working on nutrients and most likely briopsis is a good approach. You're tank will love it.

I am probably going to add the 20 to the setup just because, and it another project :yay: It is on 4 or 5 rocks, ranging from 2" diameter to just around the base of a frag. It hasnt taken over yet. Just steadily getting worse. I forgot my photobucket login and passwork :doh:

 

[legalreefer]

dawgdude;386053 wrote: Haha because I reserve the right to have blonde moments!

Does it permanently get rid of it?

 

[legalreefer]

Hopefully these will help. If you click on them they will enlarge.

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[grouper therapy]

I can't see those either .Can anyone else or is it me?

 

[legalreefer]

grouper therapy;386051 wrote: It does not seem to make any difference in nutrient levels when it comes to the appearance of or eradication of bryopsis if that is in fact what you have. That has been stated several times in the thread. From most all the experienced aquarist that has battled this strand of algae is the use of tech m magnesium dosing to higher than normal levels (1600 and up).
If in fact it is typical hair algae that you are battling then yes a larger macro fuge will help to rid your system of some nutrients but when that is done the surviving algae will only thrive with more nutrients (not your goal) and some light.
Can you post pics of the algae?
i can't see your pics

So dosing vodka wouldnt work. If I understand it, it causes a bacteria growth that uses the nutrients and is discarded in the skimmer. Right?

I can see it on mine.

 

[tokejr]

grouper therapy;386068 wrote: I can't see those either .Can anyone else or is it me?

I can see them.

 

[legalreefer]

Try these:

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[legalreefer]

dawgdude;386071 wrote: I can see them. And its the same thing I have. I would suggest getting some tweezers and trying to get it from the base. I can sometimes get whole patches that way. Ill post pics in a few of the kalk experiment. Still from the way it reproduces, I think it will be like aiptasia with it just popping up all over the place.

I hate aiptasia. I put the good stuff on the first one I saw and now I have at least 15. But thats another day, another probelm.

 

[grouper therapy]

My nutrient levels in my tank are super low. I run gfo for phosphates and a sulpher reactor for nitrates and carbon and a 30 gallon fuge. I still have bryopsis from time to time. I use BRS magnesium and raise my levels to control it. It can come in on a frag plug. So dosing vodka in my experience would not work since it seems not to be high nutrients that fuel it.

 

[ralph atl]

grouper therapy;386068 wrote: I can't see those either .Can anyone else or is it me?

Nope.

 

[grouper therapy]

dawgdude;386076 wrote: Man we must have the same rock! After my 4th CBB that sucker annihilates them. I actually have a spare 29g (with no light) with some rock that has them on it and they still grow. I just swap the rocks out with my DT and let the little guy munch away.

If you let any of the gametes from the aiptasia be released and not covered with whatever you are using then its like releasing mold spores. It spreads like wild fire.

+1 I move rocks into the display to feed my cbb. Hey we might have found the way to keep cbb!! Set up an aiptasia culture tank.

 

[ralph atl]

grouper therapy;386077 wrote: My nutrient levels in my tank are super low. I run gfo for phosphates and a sulpher reactor for nitrates and carbon and a 30 gallon fuge. I still have bryopsis from time to time. I use BRS magnesium and raise my levels to control it. It can come in on a frag plug. So dosing vodka in my experience would not work since it seems not to be high nutrients that fuel it.

ok, so this is my point. You need to take care of nutients anyway. So start doing that. There are many methods, as one can use limiting food, skim, gfo, vodka, nitrate reactor, whatever. You need to do that anyway.
If you have "regular" hair algae, that will go away with this method. If you have briopsis, itight limit it's growth, but apparently from what many experienced reefers that have had it, only Kentm over 1600 will work. You first need to make sure which algae that u have. There is even some new additive that supposedly works for hair algae that has received great reviews, not for briopsis, though.

 

[legalreefer]

grouper therapy;386080 wrote: +1 I move rocks into the display to feed my cbb. Hey we might have found the way to keep cbb!! Set up an aiptasia culture tank.

Thats a big 10-4!!
So I guess after this lengthy discussion, Ive been doing the right thing all along, Kent M. I just need to monitor how much Im adding and figure out how much to add. Thanks everyone :thumbs:

P.S. I will lone anyone who wants to barrow my aiptasia covered rock!!! feel free to come and get it!!

 

[grouper therapy]

I really would like to do a controlled experiment on the different theories of controlling bryopsis. I need to find a light mover as I don't want to spend the money on multiple lights. I have the tanks.